Originally posted by PenguinDiscuss it ?
You may recall I mentioned considering stealing a bible from a hotel and was pondering the moral ramifications.
Well, I decided the ramifications would be minimal and easily waved away, so I 'alf-inched' it. I have now read Genesis up to 25-the death of Abraham and my initial thought is "Wow!".
Anyone care to discuss?
--- Penguin.
Well, I think you are a really cool skeptic.
I mean look how suave you are. You didn't really go buy a Bible. You casually stole one. And you wish it hand been something else you could have lifted and made your own. Now that is cool.
You're still in the good guy's column - a not terribly interested unbeliever who stole a hotel Bible.
Don't be concerned that we'll take you as getting religion. We'll take care to preserve your status as a really suave skeptic.
Originally posted by jaywillJaywill, are you 98 years old or is it alzheimer's ?
Discuss it ?
Well, I think you are a really cool skeptic.
I mean look how suave you are. You didn't really go buy a Bible. You casually stole one. And you wish it hand been something else you could have lifted and made your own. Now [b]that is cool.
You're still in the good guy's column - a not terribly interested unbeliever who stole a hote ...[text shortened]... ou as getting religion. We'll take care to preserve your status as a really suave skeptic.[/b]
Thats the second time you answered the same post.
Originally posted by jaywillHe may have thought he stole it, but he did not. The Gideon's leave
Discuss it ?
Well, I think you are a really cool skeptic.
I mean look how suave you are. You didn't really go buy a Bible. You casually stole one. And you wish it hand been something else you could have lifted and made your own. Now [b]that is cool.
You're still in the good guy's column - a not terribly interested unbeliever who stole a hote ...[text shortened]... ou as getting religion. We'll take care to preserve your status as a really suave skeptic.[/b]
those Bibles with the express intent that they be taken.
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Originally posted by jaywillHehe, thanks.
Discuss it ?
Well, I think you are a really cool skeptic.
I mean look how suave you are. You didn't really go buy a Bible. You casually stole one. And you wish it hand been something else you could have lifted and made your own. Now [b]that is cool.
You're still in the good guy's column - a not terribly interested unbeliever who stole a hote ...[text shortened]... ou as getting religion. We'll take care to preserve your status as a really suave skeptic.[/b]
Do I really come acros as 'suave'? I rather like that.
--- Penguin.
Originally posted by PinkFloydWell yeah I get that Goddunnit like that 'cos he could, but why? Why create light with no source and then constrain it to stars? For that matter, why should the Bible descibe the stars as different from the sun when in fact God create the sun as a very ordinary star? Genesis just does not gel with what is.
As I recall, God created light VERY early on (and saw that it was good)---even before the sun, moon, etc. That takes care of how he had light without the sun.
Next?
Moving on, I can't quite get where all these people have come from. I'm on Jacob & Esau at the moment and maybe at the rate that these guys are procreating, there could be a few tousand people around, but it seems like there were that many not long after the original two were kicked unceremoneously out of Eden. Cain was building cities for someone. I think God was creating people on the side.
--- Penguin.
Originally posted by Penguingod was personally handling the DNA of every offspring of adam and eve and their children so that the incest wouldn't breed retards and genetically unfit individuals. also he manipulated the lifespan of those humans so they lived several hundred years each. and yes, they were breeding like rabbits. because god is such a poor mechanic he invented a machine called humanity that needed tweaking every single second.
Well yeah I get that Goddunnit like that 'cos he could, but why? Why create light with no source and then constrain it to stars? For that matter, why should the Bible descibe the stars as different from the sun when in fact God create the sun as a very ordinary star? Genesis just does not gel with what [b]is.
Moving on, I can't quite get where all the ...[text shortened]... was building cities for someone. I think God was creating people on the side.
--- Penguin.[/b]
if a modern day engineer would invent a machine that required reprogramming and maintenance every day, we would fire his ass. yet creationists hold god to be THAT stupid.
Originally posted by PenguinQuite possibly He was. The Scriptures are silent on this issue.
Well yeah I get that Goddunnit like that 'cos he could, but why? Why create light with no source and then constrain it to stars? For that matter, why should the Bible descibe the stars as different from the sun when in fact God create the sun as a very ordinary star? Genesis just does not gel with what [b]is.
Moving on, I can't quite get where all the ...[text shortened]... was building cities for someone. I think God was creating people on the side.
--- Penguin.[/b]
Originally posted by ZahlanziYou have erred in making such a leap to arrive at such a bizarre conclusion. All I said was that the Bible doesn't answer every question that one might pose. That itself is an admission that "everything there is to know" is not located there. How you made such an illogical leap mystifies me.
so you think that everything there is to know it's in the scriptures.
do you have any thoughts of your own, or you rely on the bible to make a plane stay in the air?
Originally posted by PinkFloydbecause when you arrived at a spot where the scriptures are silent or don't fully explain things, you come to conclusions to support them or don't contradict them. so instead of thinking there must be something wrong with the original story, you made an assumption: "quite possibly he was[creating people on the side]". an assumption that has no logic to it, nothing could have lead to it if it weren't for the original story which you didn't even think of questioning.
You have erred in making such a leap to arrive at such a bizarre conclusion. All I said was that the Bible doesn't answer every question that one might pose. That itself is an admission that "everything there is to know" is not located there. How you made such an illogical leap mystifies me.
hence my reasoning that the bible is your encyclopedia Brittanica on everything that is.
Originally posted by PenguinHorrifying, isn't it? Just wait--keep at it. Every page will bring new horror to shock your moral sense. And the best part? People want this to be the sole foundation of the ethics of entire nations! Yikes!
You may recall I mentioned considering stealing a bible from a hotel and was pondering the moral ramifications.
Well, I decided the ramifications would be minimal and easily waved away, so I 'alf-inched' it. I have now read Genesis up to 25-the death of Abraham and my initial thought is "Wow!".
Anyone care to discuss?
--- Penguin.
All you fine folks on this thread are trying to play mindgames with each other. Who do you think you, playing God with your fellow man?
As for understanding the Bible, which is the Word of God who is a spirit (John 1:1, and 4:24) his Spirit is Truth. Now to understand this takes faith (Heb. 11:1) without wihich you will not be able to see the Light and Truth, for the natural mind is enmity toward God, and the carnal or natural man can not fathom the answers to the questions you have been asking each other: I. Cor. 2:11: For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12: Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13: Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14: But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15: But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16: For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
Also:
(I Cor. 1: 21: For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22: For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24: But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
25: Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26: For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27: But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28: And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29: That no flesh should glory in his presence.
SO YOU WISE MEN AND HIGHLY EDUCATED HEDONISTS MAY ENGAGE IN FURTHER EGOTISTICAL DISCUSSION, BUT AS FOR ME AND MY HOUSE, WE SHALL SERVE THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY, BY FAITH, IN SPIRIT AND TRUTH!. Amen.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI have not read the rest of this thread yet, but I want to assure you that the Gideons do not mind if the Bibles are taken from hotels, motels, or hospitals. In fact, this makes them very happy to know that someone will take them to read more. They will be gladly replaced.
dude what copy do you have, because there truly is quite a staggering difference as to accuracy of translation, i bet if its from a hotel that its a Gideons bible, no?