Kansas Republican Party Votes to ‘Affirm God’s Design for Gender’

Originally posted by @fmf
If you have a dissenting view for this - my view, which pertains to 1Timothy 2:11-13: [b]I don't think there is any difference in women ~ in their "nature" or otherwise ~ that affects their ability to be good leaders and good teachers, just as men are also capable of being, whether it be in a church or church community or in government ...then go for it. If you want a discussion about men and women being different, start a thread.[/b]

I’m curious about where you think the natures of men and women differ because the differences you think exist may touch on what we’ve been discussing. Without knowing your view on that, we’re kind of at an impasse.

Originally posted by @romans1009
Is this another example of the “natural man” in 1 Corinthians 2:14?

Everything in Christianity starts with Christ. One is made righteous (in right standing with God) by accepting Christ, one is freed from the law after accepting Christ and one bears fruit of the Spirit after accepting Christ.

The acceptance of Christ has to be voluntary. You’re skipping over (ignoring) that and going right to the law, when Christians don’t live under the law.

And you seem to be dodging the implications of the request your yourself made on page 1.

Originally posted by @romans1009
I’m curious about where you think the natures of men and women differ because the differences you think exist may touch on what we’ve been discussing. Without knowing your view on that, we’re kind of at an impasse.

The only impasse there seems to be is that you are unwilling to offer a dissenting view to this:

I don't think there is any difference in women ~ in their "nature" or otherwise ~ that affects their ability to be good leaders and good teachers, just as men are also capable of being, whether it be in a church or church community or in government.

Originally posted by @fmf
Start a thread on it and see who is interested in the discussion you want to set up.

But are you interested in discussing them? I take it you’re not from your resistance to discussing them here, and I’m not sure such a thread would really be germaine to this forum without a Biblical or religious/spiritual component (in particular the one you mentioned.)

Originally posted by @fmf
And you seem to be dodging the implications of the request your yourself made on page 1.

What you view as dodging I think is more due to your self-professed status as the “natural man” identified by Paul in 1 Corinthians 2:14.

Originally posted by @fmf
The only impasse there seems to be is that you are unwilling to offer a dissenting view to this:

I don't think there is any difference in women ~ in their "nature" or otherwise ~ that affects their ability to be good leaders and good teachers, just as men are also capable of being, whether it be in a church or church community or in government.

We’ve already gone over this and why I asked where you think differences in the natures of men and women exist. I’m sorry you’re reluctant to explore the subject.

Originally posted by @romans1009
What you view as dodging I think is more due to your self-professed status as the “natural man” identified by Paul in 1 Corinthians 2:14.

People reading this exchange can decide for themselves.

Originally posted by @romans1009
We’ve already gone over this and why I asked where you think differences in the natures of men and women exist. I’m sorry you’re reluctant to explore the subject.

Where have we "already gone over" your dissenting view? I've not seen it.

Originally posted by @fmf
People reading this exchange can decide for themselves.

Yes, I’m curious about the opinions of the two people following this conversation.

Originally posted by @fmf
Where have we "already gone over" your dissenting view? I've not seen it.

It’s because you’re not willing to explore the differences in the natures of men and women. As I said earlier, the differences you think exist could well touch on the verses from 1 Timothy you cited. I don’t understand your reluctance to speak on the issue, but so be it.

Originally posted by @romans1009
It’s because you’re not willing to explore the differences in the natures of men and women. As I said earlier, the differences you think exist could well touch on the verses from 1 Timothy you cited. I don’t understand your reluctance to speak on the issue, but so be it.

Oh well. It ends with my view on the verse from Timothy being expressed clearly, while your view on the verse from Timothy, oddly, remains withheld and not expressed.

Originally posted by @fmf
Oh well. It ends with my view on the verse from Timothy being expressed clearly, while your view on the verse from Timothy, oddly, remains withheld and not expressed.

Your view of the differences in the natures of men and women, which is what the 1 Timothy verses you cited refer to, was sadly unexpressed for unknown reasons.

Originally posted by @romans1009
Your view of the differences in the natures of men and women, which is what the 1 Timothy verses you cited refer to, was sadly unexpressed for unknown reasons.

Like I said, and this goes for the Timothy verse, I don't think there are any differences in women ~ in their "nature" or otherwise ~ that affect their ability to be just as good leaders and good teachers as men are also capable of being, whether it be in a church or church community, or a place of learning or in a context in which doctrine is being propagated or implemented, such as in government. If you disagree, state why if you want to.

Originally posted by @fmf
Like I said, and this goes for the Timothy verse, I don't think there are any differences in women ~ in their "nature" or otherwise ~ that affect their ability to be just as good leaders and good teachers as men are also capable of being, whether it be in a church or church community, or a place of learning or in a context in which doctrine is being propagated or implemented, such as in government. If you disagree, state why if you want to.

You have been a little unclear. Let me see if I understand you correctly.

Are you saying that you don't think there is any difference in women ~ in their "nature" or otherwise ~ that affects their ability to be good leaders and good teachers, just as men are also capable of being, whether it be in a church or church community or in government?

Do I understand you correctly?

Originally posted by @thinkofone
Do I understand you correctly?

Yes.