Kids and men

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@karoly-aczel said
Does anyone know what it means to be a man?

IF you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!

http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_if.htm

@suzianne said
Sorry, the best I can do is knowing what it's like to be human.

@divegeester cracking

@karoly-aczel said
It means being honest with your self, speaking your mind, abiding in truth, taking the slings and arrows of others ... it means not being afraid of your own life , taking responsibility and rejecting authority ...

just to mention a few

@karoly-aczel said
It means being honest with your self, speaking your mind, abiding in truth, taking the slings and arrows of others ... it means not being afraid of your own life , taking responsibility and rejecting authority ...

just to mention a few

@divegeester

Been checking for signs of pubic hair again?

Edifying.

@kellyjay said
I'm sure some modern expert has that all worked out, there is more than likely
a check list of preferred traits that fit the modern thinking of what manhood should
be. Outside of that why ask, you need someone to tell you its okay to be who you
are? Unless of course you have been listening to that your whole life and now you
are not sure if they always knew what they were talking about!?

@thinkofone said
Rather than being an item in a list, "abiding in truth" should serve as the foundation. The others are a consequence of "abiding in truth". As a partial list it's sound enough, though you should consider qualifying "rejecting authority" with "rejecting authority that steps outside of truth".

"Kids and Adults" would have also been stronger. Seems responses to your thread have been almost exclusively from the former.

@indonesia-phil said
And should women not be and do these things as well?

@thinkofone said
Rather than being an item in a list, "abiding in truth" should serve as the foundation. The others are a consequence of "abiding in truth". As a partial list it's sound enough, though you should consider qualifying "rejecting authority" with "rejecting authority that steps outside of truth".

"Kids and Adults" would have also been stronger. Seems responses to your thread have been almost exclusively from the former.

@karoly-aczel said
some modern expert?

I wanna know what you think

@kellyjay said
What I think is I don't need to worry about it,

@wolfgang59 said
While you are thinking about not worrying
I'm worrying about you not thinking.