11 Aug 10
Ephesians 4:17-19 (New Century Version)
17 In the Lord's name, I tell you this. Do not continue living like those who do not believe. Their thoughts are worth nothing.
18 They do not understand, and they know nothing, because they refuse to listen. So they cannot have the life that God gives.
19 They have lost all feeling of shame, and they use their lives for doing evil. They continually want to do all kinds of evil.
Another Bible says: "Past all moral sense."
A quote from a News personality says: "They have no moral compass, completely lost."
This explains very well I think why so much of the world has given up and even accepts the lack of morals as normal and that is being diplayed on so many levels such as with the practice of homosexuality...
11 Aug 10
Originally posted by gtbiking4lifeAgain, you'd welcome in a "practicing" murderer or thief or pedophile?
I don't see why not. It's not my position to turn anyone away. We are commanded to forgive all men (including women of course). I don't see anything wrong with that. In my opinion, should I turn away anyone and not welcome them, I would be keeping hatred in my heart (not forgiveness).
11 Aug 10
Originally posted by galveston75No where in those scriptures you quoted does it say we should turn away the sinner. The reason is because it is not there.
Wow...Ok then.
Did Jesus not say that "All Scripture is inspired by God"? So if that is true to you then all the condemnation by God of homsexuality would still stand. Correct or not?
Rom. 1:24-27: “God, in keeping with the desires of their hearts, gave them up to uncleanness, that their bodies might be dishonored among them . . . God gave them up ...[text shortened]... 10.
How can the wrongness of homosexuality not be any clearer here with these scriptures?
We are commanded to forgive all men though.
Mathew 6: 14-15
Mark 11: 25
Luke 6: 35 which states “But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.”
Colossians 3:13
11 Aug 10
Originally posted by gtbiking4lifeWow. It seems like there would be a little concern for the safety of others there especially for the children. Guess not....
No where in those scriptures you quoted does it say we should turn away the sinner. The reason is because it is not there.
We are commanded to forgive all men though.
Mathew 6: 14-15
Mark 11: 25
Luke 6: 35 which states “But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be ...[text shortened]... children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.”
Colossians 3:13
11 Aug 10
Originally posted by galveston75We are commanded to forgive ALL men, regardless of their trespass. I once knew someone who has been excommunicated from the Church after being arrested for possessing child porn I believe (I can't remember the charge - but it had to do with this I think) - forgive my memory it was many years ago. My wife and I still invited him to Church for a few weeks until he decided and made the choice not to go anymore. Once again we are commanded to forgive all men. We made the right choice. There's more to the story but I wanted to keep it short.
Again, you'd welcome in a "practicing" murderer or thief or pedophile?
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Originally posted by galveston75I take it then you disagree with Jesus Christ's teachings? You can still keep your children safe you know. Not sure why you couldn't.
Wow. It seems like there would be a little concern for the safety of others there especially for the children. Guess not....
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Originally posted by gtbiking4lifeNot a bit but there should be a level of common sense that Jesus would expect us to use when it comes to who is setting by us at church.
I take it then you disagree with Jesus Christ's teachings? You can still keep your children safe you know. Not sure why you couldn't.
"And beside JESUS said himself to expell the one who does not stop the practice of sin."
Do you not understand that? Or at what point would you personally agree to do that? Would that person have to get up on stage at church and have homosexual sex there, before one would be asked to leave?
I'm really confused at what point you would take Jesus's command seriously?
11 Aug 10
Originally posted by galveston75Since I have seen nothing you posted that stated "JESUS said himself to expel the one who does not stop the practice of sin", I have to ask you to re-post the scripture that says that.
Not a bit but there should be a level of common sense that Jesus would expect us to use when it comes to who is setting by us at church.
"And beside JESUS said himself to expell the one who does not stop the practice of sin."
Do you not understand that? Or at what point would you personally agree to do that? Would that person have to get up on stage ...[text shortened]... ked to leave?
I'm really confused at what point you would take Jesus's command seriously?
You can still use common sense - you are really grasping at some very big straws now.
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Originally posted by gtbiking4lifeI wish you had addressed my request for clarification, but I guess you can choose to ignore it.
I don't see why not. It's not my position to turn anyone away. We are commanded to forgive all men (including women of course). I don't see anything wrong with that. In my opinion, should I turn away anyone and not welcome them, I would be keeping hatred in my heart (not forgiveness).
Glad to hear that you'd continue to welcome them. I wish more would embrace the teachings of Jesus. The world would be a much better place. Does it bother you that the LDS does not do likewise? Have you spoken out against the LDS position?
11 Aug 10
Jesus didn't really come to earth to "make the world a much better place". That is put some bandaids on our society to help us all have a reformed and improved world continuing to oppose God the Father.
Rather, He came as Lord that some would unconditionally surrender to Him. These are the called out ones, the ekklesia. They will be saved. And when the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, they will inherit the earth.
Jesus prayed especially for the ones whom the Father had given to the Son, and that did not involve the whole world which opposes Christ.
"I ask concerning them; I do not ask concerning the world, but concerning those whom you have given Me, for they are Yours. And all that is Mine is Yours, and Yours is Mine; and I have been glorifed in them." (John 17:9,10)
The humanist view is that God sent the Son into the world to give us some self improvement and social reform. Rather He says that His disciples are to be "the salt of the earth".
Salt is a preservative meant to keep the food from complete rotteness for a time. The trend of worldly society is a downward slide into more and more corruption. The presence of the Christians is only a "salt" to slow the degradation into total rotteness.
Until He comes to take over the kingdoms of the world, the ekklesia, is to be a city on a hill, a beacon of light and the coming age of His manifested kingdom.
If we want to be saved in all regards, we must turn ourselves over to the Son of God.
11 Aug 10
Originally posted by galveston75Aids started with homosexual activity if I'm not mistaken.
Aids started with homosexual activity if I'm not mistaken and their style of sex is at greater risk: http://aids.about.com/od/technicalquestions/f/oral.htm
And I would like to think because of our morals and what we can perceive from God's word and hopefully a consept of morals that we are not to be compaired to animals. I believe God expects a little ...[text shortened]... us than an animal....
I'm curious to know your moral feelings on beastiality? Is it wrong?
Utter garbage, you are woefully mistaken. Here's some reading which should bring you up to speed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_AIDS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_AIDS
Anal sex is an easier way for the virus to spread as the lining of the rectum is easier to tear, that's why the disease spread so quickly through the male gay community.
consept of morals that we are not to be compaired to animals.
You said homosexuality was unnatural, it was you who was comparing. I merely pointed out that in 'nature' homosexual behaviour is widespread.
I'm curious to know your moral feelings on beastiality? Is it wrong?
My feeling on beastiality? Dunno, never tried it. What on earth has that got to do with anything on a thread about homosexuality?
11 Aug 10
Originally posted by galveston75wow, astonishing that you would equate sexual orientation with murderers and pedo's (not a sexual orientation strictly speaking.) Both of these things one does to other people against their will. Meanwhile homosexuality is an act between two consenting adults....big big difference doncha think?
Again, you'd welcome in a "practicing" murderer or thief or pedophile?
11 Aug 10
Originally posted by duecerIf galve is a representant for all and every christian, then no christian should be whining over being insulted. He, by his words, are insulting a large group of people, living in peace and love. How does he think these people, honest men and women, feel? How many is personally insulted here and now at RHP when they read his insulting postings?
wow, astonishing that you would equate sexual orientation with murderers and pedo's (not a sexual orientation strictly speaking.) Both of these things one does to other people against their will. Meanwhile homosexuality is an act between two consenting adults....big big difference doncha think?
However, galve is not representing all and every christian. No christian should be blamed for what glave thinks and says. Most christians are loving and caring, and wyuould for a second feel the same way as galve does against their fellow christian, and others, gays.
We should know that Jesus held love high. St Paul was even writing an hommage for true love (2 cor 13:13). We shouldn't forget that noone with lave in their heart is bad persons. Only haters are.
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Originally posted by FabianFnasG75 does not, nor do I, represent all Christians. The discourse on this subject is heated even in the most liberal of denominations. Yes indeed we are called to love one another as Christ has loved us, that is to say...unconditionally. Loving someone however is not the same thing as tolerating poor or boorish behavior. When my children go astray it is my job as a parent to correct their behavior. I look for ways that I can do that and be affirming of their individuality and of my love for them, but sometimes they simply need punishment.
If galve is a representant for all and every christian, then no christian should be whining over being insulted. He, by his words, are insulting a large group of people, living in peace and love. How does he think these people, honest men and women, feel? How many is personally insulted here and now at RHP when they read his insulting postings?
However ...[text shortened]... 3:13). We shouldn't forget that noone with lave in their heart is bad persons. Only haters are.
Do gays need punishment? maybe, maybe not, either way it is not for me to decide. So long as their behavior does not effect me or the congregation then it isn't really my business. James 4 says:
11 Do not speak evil of one another, brethren. He who speaks evil of a brother and judges his brother, speaks evil of the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. 12 There is one Lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy.
Who are you to judge another? Who am I, who is G75, who is anyone to sit in judgment of another? James goes on to say in chapter 5:
9 Do not grumble against one another, brethren, lest you be condemned.
grumbling, complaining, judging lead to your own judgment. I'm not sure why so many fail to recognize these very important truths taught in the scripture. Christ himself refused to condemn the adulteress at the well, opting instead for a kind word and forgiveness. Shouldn't that be our example as well? If Jesus the son of God can forgive, then why can't Christians with nothing personally at stake simply offer a kind word, their sincere prayers and an ounce of forgiveness for those who have done nothing to them?
Live and let love.
11 Aug 10
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneI really do not see anything that says we should not welcome someone who is homosexual into the Church if they choose to attend a meeting. The LDS Church has not made me judge and excommunicator 😛
I wish you had addressed my request for clarification, but I guess you can choose to ignore it.
Glad to hear that you'd continue to welcome them. I wish more would embrace the teachings of Jesus. The world would be a much better place. Does it bother you that the LDS does not do likewise? Have you spoken out against the LDS position?
I follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.