Life from nothing

Originally posted by RJHinds
And there is a Spaghetti Monster?

No. That is not truth. Neither is it 100% certifiably false.

Just the same as your god.

Originally posted by wolfgang59
No. That is not truth

Isn't that apostasy?

Originally posted by wolfgang59
You are trying to redefine "truth" to fit in with your superstitions.

Saying "truth" is a living being is nonsense.

Truth is the world is not flat, fairies do not exist and I am having roast lamb this evening.

"You are trying to redefine "truth" to fit in with your superstitions."

You mean like your next statement? How am I trying to redefine truth? That's impossible! One can try I suppose, but truth is immutable, so how can I or anyone else redefine it? You're merely projecting your bias because, beyond the elementals, such as your bottom statement you don't know any truth as it pertains to God, who is living truth. Call it superstitious all you like, but it sounds more like you're the one that's superstitious, believing superstitious lies about what the truth is!

Think about that one sometime.

"Saying "truth" is a living being is nonsense."

No it is not! Hear this just once. Truth, it could be said, is knowledge. Knowledge is of what exists. What exists is known or it wouldn't exist.

Think about that for a moment. I'd like to hear your reply.

"Truth is the world is not flat, fairies do not exist and I am having roast lamb this evening."

Everyone knows that, except that lamb I mean. There's no shortage of people that believe untruth, whether believer's in one thing or another.

Originally posted by josephw
[b]"You are trying to redefine "truth" to fit in with your superstitions."

You mean like your next statement? How am I trying to redefine truth? That's impossible! One can try I suppose, but truth is immutable, so how can I or anyone else redefine it? You're merely projecting your bias because, beyond the elementals, such as your bottom statement you ...[text shortened]... There's no shortage of people that believe untruth, whether believer's in one thing or another.[/b]

You're really talking about two different things as though they're one and the same. It's as if I were to use the word colour both in the sense of lightwaves hitting the retina and in the sense of political ideology colouring people's social perceptions, and act as though I'm talking about the same thing in both cases. Truth as in accurate (my eyes are blue) and truth as a living being are miles apart in their meanings. You don't get from using the word in one sense to another simply by positing that truth is knowledge (which incidently is not an accurate definition of the word truth).

Originally posted by C Hess
You're really talking about two different things as though they're one and the same. It's as if I were to use the word colour both in the sense of lightwaves hitting the retina and in the sense of political ideology colouring people's social perceptions, and act as though I'm talking about the same thing in both cases. Truth as in accurate (my eyes are blue) ...[text shortened]... ting that truth is knowledge (which incidently is not an accurate definition of the word truth).

Thing is, you're right in the sense in which you're defining the use of the term truth, but I'm talking about its spiritual application.

Of course you'll take exception to that as well seeing as you don't know God, or more precisely, don't believe there is a God, which is essentially the same thing.

Jesus said He is the truth. I believe it. You don't. So then you'll say that truth as it is personified in a living being is ridiculous.

Sounds a lot like a closed mind to me. Just sayin'.

Originally posted by josephw
Thing is, you're right in the sense in which you're defining the use of the term truth, but I'm talking about its spiritual application.

Of course you'll take exception to that as well seeing as you don't know God, or more precisely, don't believe there is a God, which is essentially the same thing.

Jesus said He is the truth. I believe it. You don't. ...[text shortened]... onified in a living being is ridiculous.

Sounds a lot like a closed mind to me. Just sayin'.

The is a huge difference between closed mind and simply not believing something. You want us to be programmed into your religion, and if we don't accept that programming, then, according to you, we have closed minds.

How bout the part where YOU might be the one being duped, you and a few billion other folk? I bet you can't open your mind for THAT thought, can you?

Sounds like a closed mind to me.

Originally posted by josephw
Thing is, you're right in the sense in which you're defining the use of the term truth, but I'm talking about its spiritual application.

Of course you'll take exception to that as well seeing as you don't know God, or more precisely, don't believe there is a God, which is essentially the same thing.

Jesus said He is the truth. I believe it. You don't. ...[text shortened]... onified in a living being is ridiculous.

Sounds a lot like a closed mind to me. Just sayin'.

The problem I have with this is that you are talking about the truth as if it was some sort of material thing. One has to have some sort of statement, that statement is either the truth or not. Truth can't be abstracted away from a sentence. It's not some blue blob floating around.

Originally posted by sonhouse
The is a huge difference between closed mind and simply not believing something. You want us to be programmed into your religion, and if we don't accept that programming, then, according to you, we have closed minds.

How bout the part where YOU might be the one being duped, you and a few billion other folk? I bet you can't open your mind for THAT thought, can you?

Sounds like a closed mind to me.

You have been duped by the evolution fairy tale.

Originally posted by DeepThought
The problem I have with this is that you are talking about the truth as if it was some sort of material thing. One has to have some sort of statement, that statement is either the truth or not. Truth can't be abstracted away from a sentence. It's not some blue blob floating around.

Creation by God is the truth.

Originally posted by RJHinds
You have been duped by the evolution fairy tale.

Your mind is closed and always will be. I feel sorry for what is left of your brain.

Originally posted by sonhouse
Your mind is closed and always will be. I feel sorry for what is left of your brain.

I am believing that God will restore my brain to a much better state when He resurrects the rest of my body from the grave.

HalleluYah !!! Prasie the LORD! Holy! Holy! Holy!

Originally posted by sonhouse
The is a huge difference between closed mind and simply not believing something. You want us to be programmed into your religion, and if we don't accept that programming, then, according to you, we have closed minds.

How bout the part where YOU might be the one being duped, you and a few billion other folk? I bet you can't open your mind for THAT thought, can you?

Sounds like a closed mind to me.

You just jumped ship and shifted the topic of discussion. It's called obfuscation. You completely derailed my point by misapplying the meaning of what I said to your own idealogical perspective.

Your religion has you blindsided.

Originally posted by DeepThought
The problem I have with this is that you are talking about the truth as if it was some sort of material thing.

I don't know how you can say that. Truth is everything that's true, as apposed to the misrepresentation of the truth of everything with a lie.

The concept that "God is truth" isn't material at all. It's a spiritual truth concerning the nature and attribute of who God is. As best as I can understand it.

Originally posted by josephw
You just jumped ship and shifted the topic of discussion. It's called obfuscation. You completely derailed my point by misapplying the meaning of what I said to your own idealogical perspective.

Your religion has you blindsided.

MY religion? That old rube again? I have lack of religion, I want freedom FROM religion. I don't have a church of agnostics or atheists I attend, we don't spend millions on a building or build up huge networks of idiots giving stupid talks.

I want to live on a planet where there is no religion based on a common lack of belief where the people there KNOW the harm religion does to people.

The scourge of religion is an indictment of the insecurity and basic lack of intelligence and the sheep like quality of the human race.

You give up your right to think for yourself in religion. You either believe the Earth was created 6K years ago or you get thrown out of that clik.

If you are Islam and want to leave, they kill you.

500 years ago, Christians were burned at the stake by other christians.

The thing is, you feel Christianity is ever so much more mellow now but Christians are killing Muslims as we speak so just how mellow is that? Religion can turn ugly really fast, there is no guarantee your mellow religion will stay that way.

Originally posted by sonhouse
MY religion? That old rube again? I have lack of religion, I want freedom FROM religion. I don't have a church of agnostics or atheists I attend, we don't spend millions on a building or build up huge networks of idiots giving stupid talks.

I want to live on a planet where there is no religion based on a common lack of belief where the people there KNOW ...[text shortened]... ligion can turn ugly really fast, there is no guarantee your mellow religion will stay that way.

I used the word "religion" as a metaphor for your own specific world view of atheistic doctrine. You aren't going to deny you hold a world view that is based in some kind of belief system are you?

I've told you this before, that religion is the bane of the planet and human civilization as it is reflected in the culture, history, politics, psychology and everything else known to man as regards man's conduct and behavior.

Can you imagine killing in the name of God? Yes, I know, now you're going to go off on how God ordered the mass killing of untold numbers of innocent people!

Thing is though sonhouse, there isn't any God after all, so the claim made by the Jews that God told them to kill the inhabitants of the land promised by a nonexistent God is just more religious zealotry.

On the other hand, if the Biblical narrative is true, and the God of the Bible is the only true and living God, anyone that pits themselves against the truth is in for a rude and severe awakening.

The Bible describes God as infinitely just. His judgements are final. If this is true, who can question God's actions?