Spirituality
20 Oct 18
21 Oct 18
@ghost-of-a-duke saidDid they not see Jesus after His resurrection?
Matthew 16:28
'Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.'
21 Oct 18
@divegeester saidThere's no challenge. It's quite simple really.
The challenge is to state what in the OP from Revelation 19 is literal and what is metaphorical.
The terms used are metaphorical descriptions of a literal reality of events that will occur that are beyond your ability to comprehend with the natural mind.
@secondson saidSo they are all metaphors...that is what your position is right?
There's no challenge. It's quite simple really.
The terms used are metaphorical descriptions of a literal reality of events that will occur that are beyond your ability to comprehend with the natural mind.
Hell and being tortured for eternity in it, is not literally a hellish place of sadism... it is a metaphor for something else?
21 Oct 18
@divegeester saidCorrect I didn't see how any of it needed to be metaphors.
Some wafflely avoidence saying you didnt see how any of it needed to be metaphors.
There was no need for them and I also said,
"John is seeing into the spiritual world, for all we know these are exactly what he
saw. So I take it as is, this is just what John saw and wrote about."
You call that a waffling?
21 Oct 18
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@divegeester saidNo I want to you to see you are not reading things written to you, instead you are
Are you back peddling and now going to say that some of it is metaphors, or are you sticking with your unequivocal “it’s all literal” stance?
doing a mental dance in your head to find things or miss things that don't suit
your current views.
21 Oct 18
@kellyjay saidI have read all your posts, what am I missing?
No I want to you to see you are not reading things written to you, instead you are
doing to mental dance in your head to find things or miss things that don't suit
your current views.
You said :
”they are all literal, not metaphors”
What is there to misunderstand. I think you are backing away, perhaps you should clarify your position if it is not what you last stated and what I’ve quoted you as saying.
It’s funny how this is so complicated for you guys.
21 Oct 18
@kellyjay saidIs this your position or not?
Correct I didn't see how any of it needed to be metaphors.
There was no need for them and I also said,
"John is seeing into the spiritual world, for all we know these are exactly what he
saw. So I take it as is, this is just what John saw and wrote about."
You call that a waffling?
Posted by KellyJay on page one:
”they are all literal, not metaphors”
Thanks 🙂
21 Oct 18
@divegeester saidNo. I didn't say all the terms are metaphorical. You did.
So they are all metaphors...that is what your position is right?
Why don't you provide a specific example?
@secondson saidThe challenge to you eternal suffering believers is to say which are metaphors and which are not, you seem to be incapable of being unequivocal.
No. I didn't say all the terms are metaphorical. You did.
Why don't you provide a specific example?
We both know why that is don’t we, and it makes me happy to see the likes of you and KellyJay wriggling around trying desperately to hold onto eternal suffering as being literal while not conceding all the other terms are metaphors.
Carry on 🙂
21 Oct 18
@divegeester saidYes, but I said they literal in the first post, I'm not backing away from anything I have
I have read all your posts, what am I missing?
You said :
”they are all literal, not metaphors”
What is there to misunderstand. I think you are backing away, perhaps you should clarify your position if it is not what you last stated and what I’ve quoted you as saying.
It’s funny how this is so complicated for you guys.
said. Why do you think I'm attempting to back away, I'm telling you there was no
waffle involved.
21 Oct 18
@divegeester saidFor a moment there I thought this thread might become interesting, but you laid that to rest by failing to address your own assertion.
The challenge to you eternal suffering believers is to say which are metaphors and which are not, you seem to be incapable of being unequivocal.
We both know why that is don’t we, and it makes me happy to see the likes of you and KellyJay wriggling around trying desperately to hold onto eternal suffering as being literal while not conceding all the other terms are metaphors.
Carry on 🙂
I'm not going to do it for you. Simply provide a specific example of what you believe is a metaphorical term, and how you think it doesn't translate into reality.
That's your challenge. It's your thread.
21 Oct 18
@kellyjay saidAnd that’s what I have said several times that you said, so why are you pestering me?
Yes, but I said they literal in the first post, I'm not backing away from anything I have
said. Why do you think I'm attempting to back away, I'm telling you there was no
waffle involved.
You KellyJay have said, here in this post which I’m which replying to and previously...
”they are all literal, not metaphors”
What’s the misunderstanding?
21 Oct 18
@secondson saidEverything in my OP from Revelation 19 is metaphorical including eternal suffering references such as the throwing into the lake of fire.
For a moment there I thought this thread might become interesting, but you laid that to rest by failing to address your own assertion.
I'm not going to do it for you. Simply provide a specific example of what you believe is a metaphorical term, and how you think it doesn't translate into reality.
That's your challenge. It's your thread.
If you disagree please feel completely free to be unequivocal in saying so. Thanks.