28 Jul 05
Originally posted by howardgeeOriginally posted by howardgee
“We don’t make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents, only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value, no sanctity.”
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005310429,00.html
This is indicative of the deeply held belief of ALL religious people. They believe they are somehow bet ...[text shortened]... hat God does not exist, then there is no chance that everybody will see everyone else as equals.
“We don’t make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents, only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value, no sanctity.”
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005310429,00.html
This is indicative of the deeply held belief of ALL religious people. They believe they are somehow better than non-followers of their religion.
Jews call non-jews "heathens".
Christians say non-believers go to hell.
Even Buddhists do not criticise other religions, since to do so is to give them credibility. (implying that other believers are fools)
Until people realise that God does not exist, then there is no chance that everybody will see everyone else as equals.
saying that i need to realise that God does not exist is like telling me that i need to realise that my parents don't exist.
i do admit that at times i wonder whether he's around and i have doubts, i cannot bring myself to the point of questioning his existence. in the same way that i am because my parents did the deed and had a child, i know that i am who i am today because he exists...
i don't deny that people cause divisions based on beliefs etc, but the fact is that that is not what God does. yes, he recognises our differences and wants us to connect with him, but he will do the changing... neither telling people that they're wrong nor trying to believe that God exists will solve this problem. unfortunately, our natural state is that we will find ways to cause division - whther economic, racial or faith-based... WE GOTTA GET OVER OURSELVES!
29 Jul 05
Maverick, you clearly are very confused. Small wonder you are religious!
You say that "i cannot bring myself to the point of questioning his (God's) existence",
but already you have stated that "at times i wonder whether he's (God's) around and i have doubts".
This is clearly contradictory. Having doubts about something's existence is the same as questioning it's existence.
You start off by claiming "saying that i need to realise that God does not exist is like telling me that i need to realise that my parents don't exist".
However, it must be pretty clear to you that your parents exist (I assume they are still alive), whilst you have already admitting that you " wonder whether he's (God's) around ". Thus the two are not the same!
finally, you are nearly right when you say that "WE GOTTA GET OVER OURSELVES".
What we have to get over, is our ridiculous belief in God, and the incredibly arrogant belief that God created us humans in his image!
31 Jul 05
Originally posted by howardgeeI guess we differ over what is ridiculous.
Maverick, you clearly are very confused. Small wonder you are religious!
You say that "i cannot bring myself to the point of questioning his (God's) existence",
but already you have stated that "at times i wonder whether he's (God's) around and i have doubts".
This is clearly contradictory. Having doubts about something's existence is the sam ...[text shortened]... ous belief in God, and the incredibly arrogant belief that God created us humans in his image!
Kelly
04 Aug 05
Originally posted by howardgeeIt is also right to say "We have to get over our ridiculous unbelief in God, and the incredible stupid belief that we came from and are in the image of monkey!"
... finally, you are nearly right when you say that "WE GOTTA GET OVER OURSELVES".
What we have to get over, is our ridiculous belief in God, and the incredibly arrogant belief that God created us humans in his image!
Two sides to every coin. One has to be right.
What are the consequences if one chooses wrong?
Either way, faith in something unseen is, nevertheless, exercised.
If you believe in one or the other side of the discussion, then you exercercise your faith.
To those that do not believe in a supreme Creator and designer of the entire universe and all that we see, answer this question:
Where did atoms come from?
04 Aug 05
Originally posted by krisvictorWhere did God come from?
It is also right to say "We have to get over our ridiculous [b]unbelief in God, and the incredible stupid belief that we came from and are in the image of monkey!"
Two sides to every coin. One has to be right.
What are the consequences if one chooses wrong?
Either way, faith in something unseen is, nevertheless, exercised.
If you believe in ...[text shortened]... of the entire universe and all that we see, answer this question:
Where did atoms come from?[/b]
04 Aug 05
Originally posted by krisvictorI agree that it is an incredibly stupid belief that we came from and are in the image of monkey!
It is also right to say "We have to get over our ridiculous [b]unbelief in God, and the incredible stupid belief that we came from and are in the image of monkey!"
Two sides to every coin. One has to be right.
What are the consequences if one chooses wrong?
Either way, faith in something unseen is, nevertheless, exercised.
If you believe in ...[text shortened]... of the entire universe and all that we see, answer this question:
Where did atoms come from?[/b]
no-one believes this!
The theory of evolution teaches that human beings evolved along side the apes.
Please try to keep up with scientific advances, and spend less time reading the Book of Lies. (Bible)
04 Aug 05
Originally posted by dj2beckerYou believe that in the beginnig were atoms.
I believe that in the begining was God. You believe that in the beginnig were atoms. Neither of us have seen either.
So don't tell me your belief is not religious in nature.
is this aimed specifically at froggie? because this is not accurate in a general sense. what was present before the big bang is not clear -- but it probably was NOT atoms as they are known and tabulated today.
Neither of us have seen either.
lol. you've seen plenty of atoms dj2. if you're talking about seeing individual atoms, then just go look in a microscope. modern tranmission electron microscopy will blow your mind, for example. yes, the world really is composed of atoms.
So don't tell me your belief is not religious in nature.
my belief is not religious in nature. neither is the sloppy belief you presented above about 'atoms in the beginning'.
04 Aug 05
Originally posted by Halitosethe tag team of dj2 and halitosis strikes again.
Then what do you believe LemonJello? The mere fact that you are believing in something does make it religius in nature. 🙄
if, as a weak atheist, i merely observe and point out that the theist has utterly failed in his case for god, how is that stance 'religious in nature'? if i believe in the big bang and ensuing evolution, how is that belief 'religious in nature'?
i think you are saying these stances must be 'religious' because they go against beliefs which are religious. well, suppose i know a guy who believes in a god who, among other things, produces the optical and sensory illusion that you have hands. then i guess it would follow, by your own standards, that your belief that you do in fact have hands is a 'religious' belief. there's clearly something wrong here.
The mere fact that you are believing in something does make it religius in nature.
that's ridiculous, from which i infer that your definition of 'religious' is likewise ridiculous.
04 Aug 05
Originally posted by LemonJelloI kinda like the cyclic U. kind of ekpyrotics big brother. only in galilean space time, if it's doable.
[b]You believe that in the beginnig were atoms.
is this aimed specifically at froggie? because this is not accurate in a general sense. what was present before the big bang is not clear -- but it probably was NOT atoms as they are known and tabulated today.
Neither of us have seen either.
lol. you've seen plenty of atoms dj2. if y ...[text shortened]... s in nature. neither is the sloppy belief you presented above about 'atoms in the beginning'.[/b]