Mankind didn't fall

@kingdavid403 said
Maybe in your culture that is not the case.
It's my personal experiences; and, it happens in every culture that I am aware of. I do understand (I'm guessing) what you are saying. As I stated, I've heard of this "love" before.

I think American culture is generally accurately portrayed in their movies and sitcoms etc. So I can tell you with certainty that people outside of the US are shocked at the relationship between parents and kids in the USA. Eg in my culture it is not the norm for parents to encourage their kids to leave home as soon as possible. Parenting appears to be a burden in the US. The whole relationship between parents and kids are really messed up.

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@Ghost, the more objections without explanations, the more it seems the aim was true.

@kellyjay said
Do you think there are good people and bad people out there? There is a fundamental difference; we are all not the same; according to your gospel, some do not need to repent before God? According to your gospel, this class of good people, what caused them to be righteous with no need to turn towards God and repent? Some evolutionary change in human development that altered b ...[text shortened]... hat does your good news say? What does the gospel, according to rajk999, declare before God and man?

I dont know where you got all that mumbo jumbo nonsense. Paul answers all your questions here. The Jews were busy judging people and telling them that they need to follow the law of Moses. Paul is saying that there are some without any law but they still do good and live righteously.

Do you, my friend, pass judgment on others? You have no excuse at all, whoever you are. For when you judge others and then do the same things which they do, you condemn yourself. We know that God is right when he judges the people who do such things as these. But you, my friend, do those very things for which you pass judgment on others!

Do you think you will escape God's judgment? Or perhaps you despise his great kindness, tolerance, and patience. Surely you know that God is kind, because he is trying to lead you to repent. But you have a hard and stubborn heart, and so you are making your own punishment even greater on the Day when God's anger and righteous judgments will be revealed.

For God will reward each of us according to what we have done.Some people keep on doing good, and seek glory, honor, and immortal life; to them God will give eternal life. Other people are selfish and reject what is right, in order to follow what is wrong; on them God will pour out his anger and fury. There will be suffering and pain for all those who do what is evil, for the Jews first and also for the Gentiles. But God will give glory, honor, and peace to all who do what is good, to the Jews first and also to the Gentiles.

For God judges everyone by the same standard. The Gentiles do not have the Law of Moses; they sin and are lost apart from the Law. The Jews have the Law; they sin and are judged by the Law. For it is not by hearing the Law that people are put right with God, but by doing what the Law commands.

The Gentiles do not have the Law; but whenever they do by instinct what the Law commands, they are their own law, even though they do not have the Law. Their conduct shows that what the Law commands is written in their hearts. Their consciences also show that this is true, since their thoughts sometimes accuse them and sometimes defend them. And so, according to the Good News I preach, this is how it will be on that Day when God through Jesus Christ will judge the secret thoughts of all. (Romans 2:1-16 GNB)

@rajk999 said
I think American culture is generally accurately portrayed in their movies and sitcoms etc. So I can tell you with certainty that people outside of the US are shocked at the relationship between parents and kids in the USA. Eg in my culture it is not the norm for parents to encourage their kids to leave home as soon as possible. Parenting appears to be a burden in the US. The whole relationship between parents and kids are really messed up.

I agree. It is much much better than it use to be. A child was a burden when I was growing up.

@rajk999 said
I dont know where you got all that mumbo jumbo nonsense. Paul answers all your questions here. The Jews were busy judging people and telling them that they need to follow the law of Moses. Paul is saying that there are some without any law but they still do good and live righteously.

Do you, my friend, pass judgment on others? You have no excuse at all, whoever you are ...[text shortened]... hat Day when God through Jesus Christ will judge the secret thoughts of all. (Romans 2:1-16 GNB)

Remember: without love we are nothing, no matter what one does. That's Scriptures in 1st Corinthians; as you know.

@kingdavid403 said
I agree. It is much much better than it use to be. A child was a burden when I was growing up.

I know and it is sad. I think it is the end result of affluence and materialism prevalent in some advanced countries. Maybe less development and material wealth is better for family life.

@kingdavid403 said
Remember: without love we are nothing, no matter what one does. That's Scriptures in 1st Corinthians; as you know.

'For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.' John 3:16 NIV

Here we see the importance of love and the significance of the father/son (parental) relationship it best exemplifies.

@kingdavid403 said
Remember: without love we are nothing, no matter what one does. That's Scriptures in 1st Corinthians; as you know.

Correct. Therefore according to 1 Cor 13, a doctrine based on charitable love is greater than a doctrine based on faith.

@kingdavid403 said
In what way is he a "conduit" to Hindus for example?
"For Hindus, Christ is an acharya. His example is a light to any of us in this world who want to take up the serious practice of spiritual life. His message is no different from the message preached in another time and place by Lord Krishna and Lord Chaitanya."

Well, presumably they don't think Jesus is a deity and don't agree with Christian beliefs about his identity. They like his "message". That's nice Well, to a certain degree, I like [or agree with] Jesus's message. So does that make him a conduit for me?

@rajk999 said
Correct. Therefore according to 1 Cor 13, a doctrine based on charitable love is greater than a doctrine based on faith.

They both go hand in hand; they cannot be separated; in my opinion.

@fmf said
Well, presumably they don't think Jesus is a deity and don't agree with Christian beliefs about his identity. They like his "message". That's nice Well, to a certain degree, I like [or agree with] Jesus's message. So does that make him a conduit for me?

Well, to a certain degree, I like [or agree with] Jesus's message. So does that make him a conduit for me?
Does it? 🙂

@kingdavid403 said
They both go hand in hand; they cannot be separated; in my opinion.

Do atheists, without faith in God, have no knowledge of love? Is the love of an atheist inferior to that of a theist?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
'For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.' John 3:16 NIV

Here we see the importance of love and the significance of the father/son (parental) relationship it best exemplifies.

Yes, I agree.
Jesus, the Son of God, born by a virgin impregnated by God. Fully God in Spirit; yet fully human in the flesh from the bloodline of Adam and Eve.
If one looks or ponders into the Oneness of God, I feel it better describes the Father and Son Relationship; while Jesus was in the Flesh anyway.
I love that Scripture. 🙂

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Do atheists, without faith in God, have no knowledge of love? Is the love of an atheist inferior to that of a theist?

No! not at all!
Is the love of an atheist inferior to that of a theist?
It can, and is, the complete opposite in many cases.

@kingdavid403 said
Well, to a certain degree, I like [or agree with] Jesus's message. So does that make him a conduit for me?
Does it? 🙂

You are the one who uses the word "conduit".