Mary Mother of God?

Originally posted by divegeester
But Jesus is a God?

From a human stand point yes. Why wouldn't he be considering his power and knowledge and with the power over death that his Father gave him? But that does not mean he is the Almighty God.
And the Bible says there are many god's from our standpoint. Most aren't real but they are still called a god.

Originally posted by RJHinds
You still don't get it. God the Father is not Jehovah. Jehovah is a angelic representation and is also called the Angel of the Lord. That does not mean that He is Michael the archangel either.

Where in the Bible do you get that?

Originally posted by RJHinds
The Greek text is not referring to a series of personages. It is referiing only to Christ Jesus.

Yes it is referring to Christ. He is representing his Father in words and actions. But that in no way means he is Almighty God. No where in the Bible is Jesus called the Almighty or does Jesus ever say he is.
Just be cause a person is representing another king or president from another country does not mean he is that king or president. He is only the spokesman or "Word" of that one who sent him.

Originally posted by galveston75
Where in the Bible do you get that?

Exodus Chapter 3.

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
(1 Timothy 3:16 KJV)

Originally posted by RJHinds
Exodus Chapter 3.

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: [b]God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
(1 Timothy 3:16 KJV)[/b]

It does not say Jesus is Almighty God, it says he is a manifestation of the one who sent him. Who sent him? It was Jehovah his father. It does not say this was Almighty God in person on earth.
So according to the diffenition of someone being a manifistation of another or representing him, Jesus did just that. He came to earth and represented his Father and always referred to him/Jehovah when speaking to humans.
He said he does NOTHING of his own but of only the one who sent him.
(((((( 2 ))))) different and seperate beings here that this is takling about.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Exodus Chapter 3.

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: [b]God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
(1 Timothy 3:16 KJV)[/b]

"God was manifest/represented in the flesh by Jesus"

"President Obama was manifest/ represented by in the flesh by Ambassador Jones".

Do you see any comparison here? Two seperate beings........

Originally posted by galveston75
Yes it is referring to Christ. He is representing his Father in words and actions. But that in no way means he is Almighty God. No where in the Bible is Jesus called the Almighty or does Jesus ever say he is.
Just be cause a person is representing another king or president from another country does not mean he is that king or president. He is only the spokesman or "Word" of that one who sent him.

John, Chapter 1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

Originally posted by galveston75
From a human stand point yes....Most [gods] aren't real but they are still called a god.

But you agree that Jesus is "real" and you are a "human"?

Therefore according to your own dogma Jesus is God?

Originally posted by divegeester
But you agree that Jesus is "real" and you are a "human"?

Therefore according to your own dogma Jesus is God?

i]Originally posted by divegeester[/i]
But you agree that Jesus is "real" and you are a "human"?

Therefore according to your own dogma Jesus is (((((((( a ))))))))God?

Again did you not ever read the scriptures I posted from many Bibles that say Jesus is a God???????????????????????

Don't respond as your waisting my time if you are not going to read those scriptures!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by galveston75
"God was manifest/represented in the flesh by Jesus"

"President Obama was manifest/ represented by in the flesh by Ambassador Jones".

Do you see any comparison here? Two seperate beings........

Jesus never claimed to be God the Father. But he said that if we do not honor the Son, we do not honor the Father, who sent Him. Yes, Jesus is like an ambassador sent from God and so is Jehovah, the angel (messenger) of the Lord.

Originally posted by RJHinds
John, Chapter 1

[b]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and His own did not rec ...[text shortened]... beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.[/b][/b]

So was he "with God" or is he Almighty God? How can you be "with" sonmeone if you are that someone? Where is the Holy Spirit here? Is he with them or is he them?????
If things were made "through him" who made it go through him? If Jesus is Almighty God then the scripture should just say " Jesus made it all".

Originally posted by galveston75
i]Originally posted by divegeester[/i]
[b]But you agree that Jesus is "real" and you are a "human"?

Therefore according to your own dogma Jesus is (((((((( a ))))))))God?

Again did you not ever read the scriptures I posted from many Bibles that say Jesus is a God???????????????????????

Don't respond as your waisting my time if you are not going to read those scriptures!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/b]

ok ok relax. Geez!

Jesus is a God. According to you he is a mighty God.

I have found this thread to be most revealing of JW doctrine and your comments and revelations cement my view that the organisation is not related to the Christian church in any way.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Jesus never claimed to be God the Father. But he said that if we do not honor the Son, we do not honor the Father, who sent Him. Yes, Jesus is like an ambassador sent from God and so is Jehovah, the angel (messenger) of the Lord.

So was the angel Almighty God also just because he spoke for him? So is Jesus Almighty God just becauise he spoke for him and represented him?

Originally posted by galveston75
So was he "with God" or is he Almighty God? How can you be "with" sonmeone if you are that someone? Where is the Holy Spirit here? Is he with them or is he them?????
If things were made "through him" who made it go through him? If Jesus is Almighty God then the scripture should just say " Jesus made it all".

God consists of three persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Son is the Word and He was with God, the Father and the Holy Spirit in the beginning. But the Son is just as much God as is the Father and the Holy Spirit.
These three persons are collectively ONE GOD.

Originally posted by RJHinds
God consists of three persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Son is the Word and He was with God, the Father and the Holy Spirit in the beginning. But the Son is just as much God as is the Father and the Holy Spirit.
These three persons are collectively ONE GOD.

Ok...... You win.