21 Jun 15
Originally posted by Rajk999So do you also believe that when Jesus told his disciples that He was going away to the Father and would come back that He was talking about His re-incarnation?
[i]And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist. (Matthew 17:11-13 ...[text shortened]... before Christ.
In fact Elijah came as John the Baptist.
They were one and the same individual.
Can you show divegeester and the rest of us doubters the scripture where Jesus claims He was the archangel Michael in a previous re-incarnation?
21 Jun 15
Originally posted by RJHinds????
So do you also believe that when Jesus told his disciples that He was going away to the Father and would come back that He was talking about His re-incarnation?
Can you show divegeester and the rest of us doubters the scripture where Jesus claims He was the archangel Michael in a previous re-incarnation?
21 Jun 15
Originally posted by FMFIt wasn't Christians, it was robbie carrobie that was saying such things about karma. Just because someone says that the law of the harvest in the Holy Bible is the same as "karma" does not make it so. I already explained to robbie why the Christian concept is not the same as karma.
So maybe this broader meaning of "karma" is what the Christians are discussing here rather than the Hindu/Buddhist doctrine of reincarnation you mentioned in your previous post, yes?
21 Jun 15
Originally posted by Rajk999Nobody is condemning good works. Why do you insist on using such inflammatory language? All we're saying is that good works don't save. Only faith in the shed blood of Christ can save. That's what it says in the Bible.
Simple. People around here bang the faith alone drum hard and condemn good works. Maybe you are part of it so you cannot see that.
Why are you so stupid?
Originally posted by josephwYou are too smart to realise that your statement was never ever said or implied by Jesus Christ himself. : faith in the shed blood of Christ can save. .
Nobody is condemning good works. Why do you insist on using such inflammatory language? All we're saying is that good works don't save. Only faith in the shed blood of Christ can save. That's what it says in the Bible.
Why are you so stupid?
I wonder what did Christ preach about eternal life? Maybe you should have a read for yourself.
By the way anger is a sign that you cannot properly support your doctrine from the teachings of Christ.
22 Jun 15
Originally posted by Rajk999So does that mean you do not believe Jesus was re-incarnated or will be re-incarnated? Then how could Jesus have once been Michael the archangel? Do you believe only certain people are re-incarnated and it occurs only rarely?
I never said anything relevant to what you are asking.
Originally posted by divegeesterWhen it happens again I will pm you. Im actually surprised that so many Christians make derogatory statements about good works [apparently unknowingly] while Christ spent his entire ministry extolling good works. Shows you how powerful and dangerous church indoctrination can be.... so much so that people who are supposed to be following the teachings of Christ actually follow people who indirectly ridicule the teachings of Christ:
Can you point to one single post in this forum where anyone, theist or atheist, has on your words "condemned good works"?
Off the top of my head here is one phrase used by just about EVERY CHRISTIAN here:
good works is filthy rags
Did Christ say that? NO!
Did Paul or any other Apostle? NO!
That phrase "righteousness is filthy rags", was used by Isaiah to compare what God has in store for the righteous with what the righteous does in return. Good works compared to the reward is filthy rags and worth nothing. In no way could that passage be used to contradict what Christ said.
I am not going to get involved with long discussions on faith and works. Like I already told you that according to the Bible there are many routes to Gods Kingdom. The safest one in the one laid out by Christ himself - FAITH + GOOD WORKS... "Love God and your neighbour as yourself".. is the recommended approach of Jesus himself. Whoever decides to argue with that, then thats their choice. Many will get in by other means.
I have no intention of saying anything contrary to what Christ preached. Many do that here openly and without concern for the consequences. I wish then luck. 😀
22 Jun 15
Originally posted by Rajk999I can jaywill, suzzianne, R J Hinds and various others have belittled the house to house work of teaching and preaching the Goodnews of Gods Kingdom.
When it happens again I will pm you. Im actually surprised that so many Christians make derogatory statements about good works [apparently unknowingly] while Christ spent his entire ministry extolling good works. Shows you how powerful and dangerous church indoctrination can be.... so much so that people who are supposed to be following the teachings of Chri ...[text shortened]... reached. Many do that here openly and without concern for the consequences. I wish then luck. 😀
Originally posted by robbie carrobieNo clear teaching of Christ should ever be belittled, sidelined, discarded or explained away into nothingness. However it could be that you say or imply that house to house preaching is essential. I would say that house to house preaching is a useful way to spread the gospel but not the only way.
I can jaywill, suzzianne, R J Hinds and various others have belittled the house to house work of teaching and preaching the Goodnews of Gods Kingdom.
Originally posted by Rajk999yes its not the only way but they have belittled it! or attempted to explain it away!
No clear teaching of Christ should ever be belittled, sidelined, discarded or explained away into nothingness. However it could be that you say or imply that house to house preaching is essential. I would say that house to house preaching is a useful way to spread the gospel but not the only way.