Michael the archangel revisited

Originally posted by josephw
If that's what you think, and it makes you happy, then go for it.

But what I hear them saying is more in line with polytheistic thinking and dogma.

So you think the Christians here were discussing reincarnation and not the concept of reap and sow?

Originally posted by FMF
So you think the Christians here were discussing reincarnation and not the concept of reap and sow?

If that's what you think, and it makes you happy, then go for it.

But what I hear them saying is more in line with polytheistic thinking and dogma.

Originally posted by josephw
And I'm amazed by what they don't believe. 😉

Yep, like how they dont believe Peter, Paul or John or Christ when they say stuff like:

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sin

Originally posted by Rajk999
I guess everyone is narrowminded to varying degrees. However, Im pretty sure that I am the only Christian around here that has made the following statement which typically narrowminded Christians would cringe at

That there some people who do not know of God or Christ and yet they will be accepted into Gods Kingdom, like atheists who will be justified by ...[text shortened]... God, and ignore the parts of the Bible which speak clearly of acceptable justification by works.

Well in Romans 3:28 it (Paul, in the Bible) says we are justified by faith. You say we are justified by works.

Apologies for the edits

Originally posted by divegeester
Well in Romans 3:28 it (Paul, in the Bible) says we are justified by faith. You say we are justified by works.

Apologies off the edit.

That is the definition of narrowmindness - accepting one part of the Bible and ignoring other parts because it conflicts with your interpretation or personal bias. You are well aware that James also says:

James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

The broadminded view is to accept both passages.

Christ also said that to get into His Kingdom a man MUST love his neighbour - that means good works.

By the way I never said that we are justified by works. I said/implied there are many ways to justification.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Yep, like how they dont believe Peter, Paul or John or Christ when they say stuff like:

[b]Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sin[/b]

So what are you trying to prove? That you know who has lost their salvation?

You're living in the wrong dispensation Rajk. We are presently living the dispensation of the grace of God.

Romans 5:20,21
Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Righteousness is imputed, not earned as you presuppose. We are "complete in Him" at the moment of salvation. It's a complete salvation not dependent on our "performance" to maintain it.

Absolute assurance! One cannot do anything to get it , or maintain it, or lose it.

Keeping the law, or performing good works has nothing to do with the grace of God as it relates to salvation.

Originally posted by josephw
If that's what you think, and it makes you happy, then go for it.

But what I hear them saying is more in line with polytheistic thinking and dogma.

So which meaning of "karma" do you think the Christians here ~ apart from you ~ were discussing?

Reincarnation?

Or the concept of reap and sow?

Originally posted by josephw
So what are you trying to prove? That you know who has lost their salvation?

You're living in the wrong dispensation Rajk. We are presently living the dispensation of the grace of God.

Romans 5:20,21
Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
That as sin hath reigned unto death, even s ...[text shortened]... aw, or performing good works has nothing to do with the grace of God as it relates to salvation.

How does anything I said leave you with the impression that I know who has lost their salvation. That is only known to Christ.

The rest of your post demonstrates how your extreme narrowmindedness has caused you to ignore statements by Christ and the Apostles which you dont want to believe. Here is your favourite passage but read the whole thing:

Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. (Galatians 2:16-17 KJV)

Summary - If while you are boasting that you are justified by grace [Christ], you continue on in sin then you are making Christ a minister of sin !!!

Originally posted by Rajk999
That is the definition of narrowmindness - accepting one part of the Bible and ignoring other parts because it conflicts with your interpretation or personal bias. You are well aware that James also says:

[b]James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

The broadminded view is to accept both passages.

Ch ...[text shortened]... never said that we are justified by works. I said/implied there are many ways to justification.[/b]

So you reject the part where it says we are justified by faith alone?

Originally posted by divegeester
So you reject the part where it says we are justified by faith [b]alone?[/b]

No. some are justified by faith alone, and some are justified by works alone, some are justified by faith and works. Some are even justified by who they are married to and there is even weirder stuff pertaining to who God accepts. You are clearly very narrowminded if you arre taking so long to see that.

Originally posted by FMF
So which meaning of "karma" do you think the Christians here ~ apart from you ~ were discussing?

Reincarnation?

Or the concept of reap and sow?

Both, but karma is a Hindu or Buddhist concept unrelated to Biblical Christianity.

Originally posted by Rajk999
How does anything I said leave you with the impression that I know who has lost their salvation. That is only known to Christ.

The rest of your post demonstrates how your extreme narrowmindedness has caused you to ignore statements by Christ and the Apostles which you dont want to believe. Here is your favourite passage but read the whole thing:

[i]Kn ...[text shortened]... fied by grace [Christ], you continue on in sin then you are making Christ a minister of sin !!!

You should read it, instead of reading into it a meaning to your own liking. Read the rest of the passage. The point Paul is making is that if you seek to do again the works of the law for justification you make yourself a transgressor, when "in Christ" you are made dead to the law. Look at the last verse!

Galatians 2:18-21
For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Originally posted by josephw
You should read it, instead of reading [b]into it a meaning to your own liking. Read the rest of the passage. The point Paul is making is that if you seek to do again the works of the law for justification you make yourself a transgressor, when "in Christ" you are made dead to the law. Look at the last verse!

Galatians 2:18-21
For if I build a ...[text shortened]... t frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.[/b]

Paul was telling the JEWS that the LAW OF MOSES,[not just any old law], cannot save them.

You get that? The law of Christ is what saves.

FOLLOWING CHRIST LAW OF LOVE AND CHARITY AND GOOD WORKS IS WAHT GIVERS ETERNAL LIFE

Christ himself said that.

Originally posted by Rajk999
No. some are justified by faith alone, and some are justified by works alone, some are justified by faith and works. Some are even justified by who they are married to and there is even weirder stuff pertaining to who God accepts. You are clearly very narrowminded if you arre taking so long to see that.

If you are so open to these justify ion options then why are you banging the works drum so hard?

Originally posted by divegeester
If you are so open to these justify ion options then why are you banging the works drum so hard?

Simple. People around here bang the faith alone drum hard and condemn good works. Maybe you are part of it so you cannot see that.