05 Apr 08
Originally posted by FabianFnasNo! Your interpretation is wrong. You make the mistake, as so many do, of reading into it the meaning you want it to have instead of simply allowing it to say what it says.
You mean my bible is wrong, but your's right? 😵
No where in Exodus 4 does it say that Moses was a magician.
05 Apr 08
Originally posted by josephwWell, if would be magic if David Copperfield did the same thing in Las Vegas, wouldn't it? 😏
No! Your interpretation is wrong. You make the mistake, as so many do, of reading into it the meaning you want it to have instead of simply allowing it to say what it says.
No where in Exodus 4 does it say that Moses was a magician.
05 Apr 08
This thread reminds me of a little story: a male doctor was visiting a nun's convent because a few of them were ill. He found them chatting unusually excited and he asked "what are you so excited about?". One nun answered: "this morning the priest talked about the difference between a wonder and a miracle, but it seems so difficult to understand it". The doctor said: "let me explain it: when one of you gets pregnant, that would be a wonder; but when I get pregnant, that would be a miracle!".
06 Apr 08
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Originally posted by josephwThe objective truth is that we assign meaning. 🙂
[b]"Yes! We assign meaning."
That's the problem.
God forbid that truth is objective. Because if it was we would be subject to something greater than ourselves. And how can that be? After all, there is no evidence for a creator.[/b]
06 Apr 08
Originally posted by FabianFnasNRS Exodus 7:22 But the magicians of Egypt did the same by their secret arts; so Pharaoh's heart remained hardened, and he would not listen to them; as the LORD had said.
You mean, it wasn't any illusion, it was pure magic? 😛
NRS Exodus 8:7 But the magicians did the same by their secret arts, and brought frogs up on the land of Egypt.
06 Apr 08
Originally posted by kirksey957But not as fast as you! 🙂
Well, according to the Bible the parameters are always moving.
You said, "I disagree in that I think the message of the Bible is that God is in a relationship with us where each of us plays a role.
I was going to ask you again what that role is, but I change my mind.
I really don't think you want to say anything.
06 Apr 08
Originally posted by vistesdI've often wondered if by "secret arts" there wasn't something more behind it than just magic. Either way it backfired on them.
NRS Exodus 7:22 But the magicians of Egypt did the same by their secret arts; so Pharaoh's heart remained hardened, and he would not listen to them; as the LORD had said.
NRS Exodus 8:7 But the magicians did the same by their secret arts, and brought frogs up on the land of Egypt.
07 Apr 08
Originally posted by PalynkaWell I guess that ID may mean a whole group of ideas / beliefs. I was in particular referring to those that a group of people in the US were trying to get taught in schools and got taken to court over. I believe that one of their key arguments had to do with something they called "irreducible complexity" which essentially claimed that there exists biological structures which cannot be explained via the laws of the universe and therefore there must have been input from an external source.
Sorry, I don't understand what you're saying. Can you be more concrete?
To my knowledge, ID doesn't claim that the observed facts cannot be explained by the laws of physics. It just claims that the result of such laws indicates that such laws of physics (and perhaps also the initial conditions) are 'designed'.
07 Apr 08
Originally posted by twhiteheadIs that what you think or just are you agnostic on the subject?
How do you explain that scientists are all so terribly wrong when it comes to the ancient past? Is it the work of the Devil? Just bad luck? Gods intention?
Originally posted by josephw
Maybe just bad science.
Lets suppose it is bad science.
Are you worried that the might have got a lot of other things wrong? Surely if such major fields of science are so terribly wrong what else could be wrong?
Why do we not see any evidence for such major errors except in one specific area - where science contradicts the Bible. I mean if we get some things wrong then nuclear power plants would be blowing up, even computers wouldn't work, but they do implying that some things are right or we are just very very lucky.
Don't you find it odd ?
Maybe that's why people don't believe in God. They say to themselves, "who wants somebody around more powerful than me?" Just a thought. 🙂
Why is it that so many theists have such odd thoughts? Do you honestly think that anyone chooses what to believe based on what they want to be true? Do you do that? eg maybe thats why you believe in God, "I want someone more powerful than me to look after me and take care of my responsibilities etc". Just a thought 🙂