Mississippi passes religious 'Freedom' bill:

Originally posted by checkbaiter
You know full well that homosexuals are human beings. The "act" or deviant activity is something different. You can play with words all day long, you should have been a lawyer.😉

You know full well that homosexuals are human beings.

But they were not created by your God figure, according to your beliefs, right?

Originally posted by FMF
[b]You know full well that homosexuals are human beings.

But they were not created by your God figure, according to your beliefs, right?[/b]

Wrong. God created Adam and Eve. People can choose to become homosexual, they are not created. Just like people can choose to be liars, or thieves or perverts.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Wrong. God created Adam and Eve. People can choose to become homosexual, they are not created. Just like people can choose to be liars, or thieves or perverts.

Why do you imagine people would choose to be homosexual when society - despite recent developments - is far more accepting of heterosexuality? And how do you explain that homosexuality is found with a more or less constant rate throughout many different cultures and has been found throughout the centuries, despite a wildly varying cultural acceptance of homosexuality?

Originally posted by googlefudge
The thing none of you can get your heads around is that the guiding principle is simply
that nobody gets to impose their religion on other people.

So, in school [in the USA] you are perfectly free to pray any time you like.
What you can't do is lead a public prayer that imposes your 'praying' on other people, because
they may well be of a differe ...[text shortened]... otections that stop a majority imposing their beliefs upon you and
discriminating against you?

You cannot impose your praying on other people by doing what, praying in front of them.
What you are demanding is that not only are others being imposed upon, they have
to be a part of an event they find distasteful and go against their moral code.

If someone sells cakes they need to sell them to anyone, NO PROBLEM there, but if
some event comes up that a special cake is requested, that is not the same thing, buy
one off the shelf who cares anyone can do that but make them, design, build, and so on
is quite another thing. The same thing goes to the other groups highlighted in the part
of the link I read, all of those would have to put into the event themselves. Unlike just
sitting next to people praying these people would have to be a part of something that
they find distasteful and goes against their values. If you want to say we all have to be
able to handle be made deliberately uncomfortable then prayer is back in school and
sporting events, get over it. If you wish to keep others away from being forced to be a
part of something they don't want to be a part of you have to allow everyone to be able
to avoid those things as well.

As far as I can tell no one denies people anything except where it comes to special
requests. If I sell food I will sell to whoever walks into my business, but that does not
mean I have to accept every event request to cater too, if I find the KKK something I
disapprove of, or BLM, or JW, or the Girl Scouts why should I be forced into promoting
them by being apart of their event?

I have not called for or asked that my special brand of beliefs be forced on anyone, as
a matter of fact if that happens my brand of beliefs are now void since it has to be by
each our free wills nothing less.

I also don't care one wit if I'm in the majority or not, but I promise you if you squash one's
right to say no you squash them all.


• DJs
* Photographers and videographers
• Poets
• Wedding planners
• Printers and publishers
• Florists
• Dressmakers
• Cake or pastry artists
• Venue rental companies
• Limousine and car rental companies
• Jewelry sales and service firms
• Religious organizations

Originally posted by checkbaiter
This takes study. I love the word of God in it's original writings. I strive to get accuracy. This can be done if you have a desire for it.
The bible as it stands is fairly accurate. A person can be saved with the writings in there just as it stands.
I have been at this for about 40+ years and am as fascinated with God and His Word more than ever.
I ...[text shortened]... would like to learn more about scribes footnotes, etc. I can PM you a link for further reading.

Sure, why not.

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
Why do you imagine people would choose to be homosexual when society - despite recent developments - is far more accepting of heterosexuality? And how do you explain that homosexuality is found with a more or less constant rate throughout many different cultures and has been found throughout the centuries, despite a wildly varying cultural acceptance of homosexuality?

Why do you imagine people would choose to be homosexual when society - despite recent developments - is far more accepting of heterosexuality?

Why would you think? I think it would be ungodly lustful desires.

And how do you explain that homosexuality is found with a more or less constant rate throughout many different cultures and has been found throughout the centuries, despite a wildly varying cultural acceptance of homosexuality?

Demonic activity has been here just as long as people of all cultures. In fact they also have strong influence on all cultures and wildly varying acceptance of homosexuality is no surprise.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Why would you think? I think it would be ungodly lustful desires.

There seems to be some confusion here. Homosexuality is not the act of gay sex, it is the state of preferring a same sex person as a sexual partner whether or not any actions take place.

Originally posted by KellyJay
You cannot impose your praying on other people by doing what, praying in front of them.
What you are demanding is that not only are others being imposed upon, they have
to be a part of an event they find distasteful and go against their moral code.

If someone sells cakes they need to sell them to anyone, NO PROBLEM there, but if
some event comes up th ...[text shortened]... Limousine and car rental companies
• Jewelry sales and service firms
• Religious organizations

If someone sells cakes they need to sell them to anyone, NO PROBLEM there, but if
some event comes up that a special cake is requested, that is not the same thing

Actually, given the example I cited was of a company that does weddings [and other events]
as part of it's services it is EXACTLY the same thing. Morally and legally.

If you have a product or service you have to provide it equally to any legally entitled to it.

If you don't like those people or their lifestyle for any reason it's just tough s**t.

I despise the Jehovahs Witness movement and yet politely and professionally served JW's
that came to my store. I also served a number of UKIP racist UFO chasing conspiracy nut
people [so well they became regular customers and recommended my services] despite
disliking them and everything they stood for.

I walk the walk.

If you have a product or service you provide it to anyone legally entitled to ask for it.

Period.

Originally posted by twhitehead
There seems to be some confusion here. Homosexuality is not the act of gay sex, it is the state of preferring a same sex person as a sexual partner whether or not any actions take place.

It is still a choice.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
It is still a choice.

All the relevant science on the topic says that you are wrong about this.

However, even if it were a choice, it is a choice people are and should be free to make
without being punished for that choice by ignorant moralising [but immoral] from theists
such as yourself.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
[b]Why do you imagine people would choose to be homosexual when society - despite recent developments - is far more accepting of heterosexuality?

Why would you think? I think it would be ungodly lustful desires.

And how do you explain that homosexuality is found with a more or less constant rate throughout many different cultures and has be ...[text shortened]... strong influence on all cultures and wildly varying acceptance of homosexuality is no surprise.

Why, in your opinion, would people choose to have these "ungodly lustful desires" and/or partake in such "demonic" activities, in a way that seems to be fairly constant throughout the ages and throughout all cultures?

Originally posted by googlefudge
All the relevant science on the topic says that you are wrong about this.

However, even if it were a choice, it is a choice people are and should be free to make
without being punished for that choice by ignorant moralising [but immoral] from theists
such as yourself.

I do not believe ALL science agrees with you. Relevant to who? You?

The second part of your comment I tend to agree with in part.
Yes people are free to make choices.
Who wants to punish homosexuals? I don't.
I think the choice leads to problems, but not just from theist's. I know tons of atheist's who frown on homosexuality even more vehemently than theist's.

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
Why, in your opinion, would people choose to have these "ungodly lustful desires" and/or partake in such "demonic" activities, in a way that seems to be fairly constant throughout the ages and throughout all cultures?

You have never had lust in your heart? Ungodly lustful desires I already pointed out?

Originally posted by checkbaiter
I do not believe [b]ALL science agrees with you. Relevant to who? You?[/b]

Relevant science being science that is applicable, ie relevant to the topic.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
It is still a choice.

But you stated that they have the desires and gave that as a reason why they might choose. I am saying the very fact that they have the desires is what is called homosexuality. They do not choose to have the desires any more than you choose to like women. It is built into their brains by biology.