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Originally posted by divegeesterI can see by this post that you believe in practicing what you preach.
Or going where they are and pretending to ignore them; except for maybe writing them a few snide messages on the wall of the toilet.
A few snide messages on the wall of the toilet, indeed.
Still can't get over that some people actually disagree with you, eh?
08 Apr 16
Originally posted by Ghost of a Dukeahh Rasputin a true man of God! I can see how you draw the parallel, chicks dug him, they also dig me, he hung out with royalty ,so do I, he was a fabled minister, so am I.
Sir, you are as sane as the next man. (If the next man happened to be Rasputin).
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08 Apr 16
Originally posted by FMFSo what it boils down to is you think homosexuals are born that way and can't help it?
You're missing the point. I haven't said that there are not atheists who are disgusted with gays. I believe you. Sexual orientation can and does make emotions run high in some people ~ hence the disgust, hate, fear, hostility, condemnation.
Social taboos can be strong and persistent, and they have a long history. Hostility to 'the other' is merely an aspect ...[text shortened]... , bullying and fear - or whatever terminology those who are "disgusted" with gays choose to use.
If this is your belief , I respectfully disagree. End of story.
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08 Apr 16
Originally posted by checkbaiterScience says you're wrong.
So what it boils down to is you think homosexuals are born that way and can't help it?
If this is your belief , I respectfully disagree. End of story.
Laws MUST be written on the basis of science and not superstition.
You loose.
End of story.
Originally posted by SuzianneI'm not attempting to take anything away from anyone. I'm not suggesting a person if they
But if you truly find loving your neighbor "as yourself" and helping to ensure that they have the same human rights as you enjoy actually "distasteful" then maybe you do need to "suck it up" and "get real" about your obligation to your fellow man. That's all. None of us are here to judge.
are the subject of hate should be treated any differently than anyone else. I'm saying
that I don't think I have to be forced into being a part of something I dislike. That is not
a person, that is an event. No where have I said anyone should be cut off from any
service that is public, but where I do draw a line is where I'm being forced to join an
activity that I want nothing to do with.
I'm of the opinion God will sort it all out not me, so if for example I think a gay marriage
is wrong because it promotes something I think is sinful that does not mean that I can
for one instant treat anyone who is gay differently in the world, but I don't want to be
apart of that ceremony. They are no different than me before God since we are both
sinners, I also would not want to be forced into going to a party where people are cheating
on their spouses either, or doing drugs to get high, or where they spout off hate speech
towards someone else I like or dislike. The people are no different, the events I can either
join or shun, my call not the governments.
We are all going to judge, if you think I'm wrong in my stance that is a judgment call on
your part. The thing is with what judgment we use it will be used on us.
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08 Apr 16
Originally posted by KellyJayYou don't get this.
I'm not attempting to take anything away from anyone. I'm not suggesting a person if they
are the subject of hate should be treated any differently than anyone else. I'm saying
that I don't think I have to be forced into being a part of something I dislike. That is not
a person, that is an event. No where have I said anyone should be cut off from any
se ...[text shortened]... is a judgment call on
your part. The thing is with what judgment we use it will be used on us.
If you have a job, that job requires that you do things.
If one of those things is make custom wedding cakes then that is a job requirement.
If one of those things is issuing marriage certificates then that is a job requirement.
You MUST legally serve anyone legally entitled to the service.
If a gay couple asks for a wedding cake or marriage license and it's part of your job to
provide these things you cannot refuse them simply because you don't like gay people,
whether it's part of your religion or otherwise.
If you do you are imposing your religion on them.
The Law mention in the OP, would allow ANY business to refuse ANY service to ANYONE
the people at the business didn't like as long as they pretend that their religion disproves
of those people.
It would [and will] allow restaurants to refuse to serve LGBTQ customers.
Also hotels, B&B's, estate agents.... Anyone can discriminate according to that law.
This would create a situation EXACTLY like the Jim Crow era discriminations against the non-white
population.
Supporting such a law indicates that you are nothing but a despicable and immoral bigot who
deserves condemnation and shunning for your hateful position.
It also puts you absolutely on the wrong side of history.
This is a fight you have lost, and just don't know it yet.
Originally posted by googlefudgeI have a job, you are mixing two different things here.
You don't get this.
If you have a job, that job requires that you do things.
If one of those things is make custom wedding cakes then that is a job requirement.
If one of those things is issuing marriage certificates then that is a job requirement.
You MUST legally serve anyone legally entitled to the service.
If a gay couple asks for a wedd ...[text shortened]... lutely on the wrong side of history.
This is a fight you have lost, and just don't know it yet.
I have maintained service to everyone with limited exceptions, where the exceptions are
that I do not believe a human of color should be forced to go to a KKK meeting feed them,
take their pictures, play music for them, and on and on create things that have their own
personal brand or their company's to promote the KKK rally.
Yet those same KKK members walk into your shop you let them buy your cake off the
self, take their family pictures, all the things you do for everyone.
Legally being forced to do something is the topic, since the LAW that was passed stops
people from being forced to put their names or their company's name into a special cake
for the KKK or any other EVENT that they with to avoid because they find it distasteful.
You are hung up on religion, that is a part of it, but it isn't all in all of this discussion.
I never said I dislike gay people, stop suggesting that.
08 Apr 16
Originally posted by googlefudge"Supporting such a law indicates that you are nothing but a despicable and immoral bigot who
You don't get this.
If you have a job, that job requires that you do things.
If one of those things is make custom wedding cakes then that is a job requirement.
If one of those things is issuing marriage certificates then that is a job requirement.
You MUST legally serve anyone legally entitled to the service.
If a gay couple asks for a wedd ...[text shortened]... lutely on the wrong side of history.
This is a fight you have lost, and just don't know it yet.
deserves condemnation and shunning for your hateful position. "
Put me on your ignore list if you cannot disagree without dipping so low in a discussion
on name calling you'll end up on mine. I without a doubt will not respond to you if you
wish or even read what you write most of the time if I can help it. No problem!
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08 Apr 16
Originally posted by checkbaiterhave you ever heard of penile plethysmograph? its a test that can determine your sexuality. a persons body has a physiological response when bombarded with sexual images that they cannot hide or control.
So what it boils down to is you think homosexuals are born that way and can't help it?
If this is your belief , I respectfully disagree. End of story.
so answer me this - if you were put in the test and bombarded with sexual images of attractive women would you be able to hide all physiological tells that you found some of the images stimulating?
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Originally posted by stellspalfieI am curious, what is it called for women?
have you ever heard of penile plethysmograph? its a test that can determine your sexuality. a persons body has a physiological response when bombarded with sexual images that they cannot hide or control.
so answer me this - if you were put in the test and bombarded with sexual images of attractive women would you be able to hide all physiological tells that you found some of the images stimulating?
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Originally posted by googlefudgeYour science, not mine...
Science says you're wrong.
Laws MUST be written on the basis of science and not superstition.
You loose.
End of story.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/for-the-first-time-a-majority-of-americans-believe-homosexuals-are-born-tha
http://borngay.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=001335