08 Dec 10
Originally posted by divegeesterperhaps your friend might be interested in Uzbekistan, that haven of tolerance as he put it, for secure, longstanding christian communities
Go there, preach Christianity, come back, then we'll talk.
http://www.jw-media.org/uzb/index.htm
indeed perhaps we can go through his list country be country pointing out just how long-standing and secure those Christian minorities actually are.
09 Dec 10
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIt's a rough world and there is intercommunal violence and instances of injustice the whole globe over. Who said it was a "haven of tolerance"? Liar. Are you claiming that Uzbekistan is an Islamic Republic with death sentences for apostasy on its books? There have been christian communities building churches and worshipping in Uzbekistan for centuries. Divegeester's "observation" - or his wanton generalization and smear - fails. But I gather you subscribe to it.
perhaps your friend might be interested in Uzbekistan, that haven of tolerance as he put it, for secure, longstanding christian communities
http://www.jw-media.org/uzb/index.htm
indeed perhaps we can go through his list country be country pointing out just how long-standing and secure those Christian minorities actually are.
09 Dec 10
Originally posted by divegeesteri think we shall now need to scrap Malaysia from the now rapidly diminishing list,
I'm sure there is evidence of some Christianity, but could you provide evidence of what you are claiming?
http://wwrn.org/articles/?place=malaysia
what was that again, secure longstanding????
09 Dec 10
Originally posted by robbie carrobieHundreds of thousands of christians go to church every Sunday across Malaysia. Many villages have a majority christian population. The communities have been there for centuries. Hence the word 'longstanding'. Hundreds of thousands of christians will go to church next Sunday. Same goes for neighbouring Indonesia where there are literally millions of christians. You still cannot substantiate divegeester's jaundiced hyperbole and sweeping generalization. Maybe you should try insinuating that I approve of death sentences for apostasy or that I am claiming that there is no problem with reactionary culture, violence and fundamentalism. Maybe that'd "prove" divegeester right?
i think we shall now need to scrap Malaysia from the now rapidly diminishing list,
http://wwrn.org/articles/?place=malaysia
what was that again, secure longstanding????
09 Dec 10
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Claiming that the entire Muslim world is every bit as bad as its worst parts is no recipe for conciliation - or for confronting extremism and injustice where it exists - either now or in the future. But then again, people who make such claims have a different agenda, I suppose.
09 Dec 10
Originally posted by John W BoothNo one claimed that, why don't you try following the thread instead of making your own up!
Claiming that the entire Muslim world is every bit as bad as its worst parts is no recipe for conciliation - or for confronting extremism and injustice where it exists - either now or in the future. But then again, people who make such claims have a different agenda, I suppose.
10 Dec 10
Originally posted by divegeesterYou said "I'm just convinced that when the Islamic population is in the majority, there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim. That's not cynicism, just observation." This is in the context of grotesque 'justice' and punishment in certain places and cultural environments that have been highlighted in this thread and the other one. It prompted you to make an unsubstantiated sweeping genralization about all places where the Muslims are in the majority. You claimed that this was based on your "observation" and yet you cannot substantiate this in the face of several examples of Islamic populations being in the majority and yet predominantly moderate - and certainly a million cultural miles away from putting people to death for apostasy. I have made nothing up, divegeester.
No one claimed that, why don't you try following the thread instead of making your own up!
10 Dec 10
Originally posted by divegeesterCute retort. Tiny element of ad hominem in it. Nice.
why don't you try following the thread instead of making your own up!
Why not stick to the topic and just make your case that "there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim" in places such as Turkey and Indonesia?
10 Dec 10
Originally posted by divegeesterI've back-packed around Morocco twice, once with a couple of friends and once with my then girlfriend. From my experience the only person i met who i would call a fanatic was a British Muslim and his son, who were from Leicester, outside the Hassan II Mosque in Casablanca. The Moroccan people who offered to put us up in their houses for the night at no cost weren't fanatics, neither were the countless people who would stop us for conversations, the men who gave up their seats on buses for my white girlfriend, and neither were the Muslim girls who would walk around the beach in their bikini's.
I agree with you. I'm just convinced that when the Islamic population is in the majority, there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim. That's not cynicism, just observation.
12 Dec 10
Originally posted by FabianFnaswhat have you say with regard to the bomb blast in Stockholm Fabian? Was it militant Christians who carried it out because someone had insulted Jesus? After all, there were caricatures of Christ also, how many Christians vowed death on other religions after they were published?
And there are fanatic bloodthirsty militant fundamentalistic christians everywhere in the world, not to be forgotten, even in USA.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11977524
12 Dec 10
Originally posted by Proper KnobThank you Proper Knob.
I've back-packed around Morocco twice, once with a couple of friends and once with my then girlfriend. From my experience the only person i met who i would call a fanatic was a British Muslim and his son, who were from Leicester, outside the Hassan II Mosque in Casablanca. The Moroccan people who offered to put us up in their houses for the night at no c ...[text shortened]... lfriend, and neither were the Muslim girls who would walk around the beach in their bikini's.
12 Dec 10
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieUp til now, we don't know much about it. To early to speculate. We have to wait until later to be sure what was going on.
what have you say with regard to the bomb blast in Stockholm Fabian? Was it militant Christians who carried it out because someone had insulted Jesus? After all, there were caricatures of Christ also, how many Christians vowed death on other religions after they were published?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11977524
My guess is that it is fundamentalists that has the responsability. Beware of the fundamentalists, because it's they who becomes tterrorists. The religion they belong to is irrelevant.