25 Mar 18
Originally posted by @sonshipDo you think it is morally acceptable for Islamic countries to execute homosexuals?
Let's see if anyone comes forward.
I would think the loudest mouths on the immorality of His law, would come forward.
The amazing thing about the [b]Job verse is that in the New Testament, God incarnate WAS condemned that we would be justified.[/b]
25 Mar 18
Originally posted by @fmfSonship started the thread at midnight UK time and 95 minutes later (01:30) he was thumping his keyboard demanding replies from people thousands of miles away.
"Strangely quiet"? How many minutes is it since you started this thread?
And after he had to,d me in another thread that he didn’t want to engage with me in the forum.
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25 Mar 18
Originally posted by @rajk999I will not chase after that dubious rabbit trail now.
Did the law of Moses say anything about who is without sin. The fact is adulterers were stoned to death. It made no difference who was with sin or without sin.
Jesus changed a law made by God
Was Jesus more righteous than God? Why are you avoiding the same question you are asking people?
I am interested in those who are so confident that God condoned something evil and Jesus called this God - "Righteous", if their goodness exceeds that of Christ's.
It seems that they should be able to plainly affirm it does.
God condones evil slavery.
Jesus condones God.
Are they then more righteous than BOTH the Father and the Son?
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25 Mar 18
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeWhether Jesus Christ is fictional or historical, merely human or human and divine, you can tell us if you think you are more right as to morality than this One.
By my timeline, you created this thread at midnight and asked this question at 2 in the morning. So I ask you sonship, was I strangely quiet,.....or was I perhaps fast asleep?!
Why you would include me in the OP question is beyond me. As an atheist, I will only ever view Jesus as another human being. Not only that, a human being I never met and o ...[text shortened]... iving truly accompanied his righteous words. Or indeed, if he even existed as he is represented.
You advertize that you can condemn the God you don't believe in as inferior to your morality. So then why can't you compare yourself to a questioned Jesus of Nazareth in the same way?
Are you then more righteous, more moral, more ethical to the man you know (fictionally or historically) as Jesus Christ?
Yes or No?
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25 Mar 18
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Originally posted by @divegeesterI'd skip the trivialities to get to the point here.
Sonship started the thread at midnight UK time and 95 minutes later (01:30) he was thumping his keyboard demanding replies from people thousands of miles away.
And after he had to,d me in another thread that he didn’t want to engage with me in the forum.
You wax confident that God condoned the indefensible.
The Son of God "condones" God calling Him His "Righteous Father".
You condemn His Father as condoning the indefensible.
Are you then more righteous then both Jesus the Son and His "Righteous Father" ?
"Righteous Father, though the world has not known You, yet I have known You, and these know that you have sent Me." (John 17:25)
Would YOU answer - "Oh, I HAVE known that God and He condoned the indefensible evil institution of slavery. He is not as righteous as me." ?
Originally posted by @sonshipIn Leviticus 25:44-46 God is depicted as clearly and unambiguously condoning chattel slavery.
Who participating in discussions on this Forum believes that they are more righteous than Jesus Christ?
We have Divegeester, for example, boldly claiming that the laws of God concerning slavery in the Pentateuch were "indefensible."
Who are the posters here who believe their righteousness, their morality, and their ethics are [b]greater then that of Jesus Christ ?
This is the place for you to confess that to all of us.[/b]
This flies in the face of what Jesus taught is the foundation of the will of God:
Matthew 7
12“In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the law and the prophets.
Matthew 22
37And He said to him, “ ‘YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.’ 38“This is the great and foremost commandment. 39“The second is like it, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.’ 40“On these two commandments depend the whole law and the prophets.”
Chattel slavery flies in the face of "treat people the same way you want them to treat you".
Chattel slavery flies in the face of "‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF".
Chattel slavery flies in the face of the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry.
As I posted in the OP of the "God Condoned Chattel Slavery" thread:
"Why not simply assert that the depiction of God condoning chattel slavery by the Jews was wrong since it is antithetical to the teachings of Jesus?".
Your defense of God being depicted as clearly and unambiguously condoning chattel slavery IS indefensible.
So if anyone has shown themselves to "believe their righteousness, their morality, and their ethics are greater then that of Jesus Christ" it is you.
Originally posted by @thinkofone to sonshipThis is surely a lemon juice in sonship's papercuts moment.
So if anyone has shown themselves to "believe their righteousness, their morality, and their ethics are greater then that of Jesus Christ" it is you.
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25 Mar 18
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Originally posted by @thinkofoneI looked through your post to find my specific answer to the QUESTION posed. I could not readily locate it.
In Leviticus 25:44-46 God is depicted as clearly and unambiguously condoning chattel slavery.
This flies in the face of what Jesus taught is the foundation of the will of God:
[quote]Matthew 7
12“In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the law and the prophets.
Matthew 22
37And He said to hi ...[text shortened]... sness, their morality, and their ethics are [b]greater then that of Jesus Christ" it is you.[/b]
Could you please clarify whether that was a YES you are more righteous than Jesus Christ or NO you are not?
WHICH?
And as a side point, what you mentioned in Matt 7:12 was also mentioned by Yahweh concerning treatment of any the stranger in the land in Leviticus 19:33,34 and in Deut. 10:19.
Are you More Righteous then Jesus ?
He "condoned" God as "Righteous Father" .
Oh, I don't even think anymore about you having to courage to come out of the closet and admit atheism. Your cowardice / timidity certainly is not more righteous then the courage of Jesus.
25 Mar 18
Originally posted by @sonshipI’ll ask you the questions again 😞
I'd skip the trivialities to get to the point here.
You wax confident that God condoned the indefensible.
The Son of God "condones" God calling Him His [b]"Righteous Father".
You condemn His Father as condoning the indefensible.
Are you then more righteous then both Jesus the Son and His "Righteous Father" ?
[quote] "Righteous Fath ...[text shortened]... ned the indefensible evil institution of slavery. He is not as righteous as me." ?
25 Mar 18
Originally posted by @divegeesterSonship?
Is it morally acceptable to you to stone homosexuals to death?
Leviticus 20:13
25 Mar 18
Originally posted by @divegeesterSonship?
Do you think it is morally acceptable for Islamic countries to execute homosexuals?