26 Apr 05
Originally posted by no1marauderYou have evidence of this? First person writing by someone with a birth certificate stamped by a notary public perhaps who is a real verifiable person?
The Israelites acted no better than other ancient conquerors; in fact, they were among the most savage.
RTh
26 Apr 05
Originally posted by RingtailhunterWell we have the bible that details many of the exploits discussed here. The authenticity of the Bible is always in question here though.
You have evidence of this? First person writing by someone with a birth certificate stamped by a notary public perhaps who is a real verifiable person?
RTh
26 Apr 05
Originally posted by NyxieYou are right about the bible in my opinion, as I am sure what No1 claims probably happened, but the bible does not say that it did. The bible is probably full of enough falicies without adding to them.
Well we have the bible that details many of the exploits discussed here. The authenticity of the Bible is always in question here though.
RTh
26 Apr 05
Deuteronomy 21:10-14 "When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the Lord thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive, And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife; Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails; And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife. And it shall be, if thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will; but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled her."
I think this is the whole quote, and it shows that sex is expected of the female slave. I think forced marraige is a polite way of refferring to sexual slavery. I also find offensive that the capturing parties could deprive the female slave of her virginity and then just throw her out if she was'nt good in bed.
Nyxie
26 Apr 05
Originally posted by NyxieI was looking all day for that exact scripture. Anyway, women back then were considered property and commodities by just about all cultures (not all cultures, just those in discussion).
Deuteronomy 21:10-14 "When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the Lord thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive, And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife; Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, ...[text shortened]... e female slave of her virginity and then just throw her out if she was'nt good in bed.
Nyxie
The act of taking small girls is not something that is left in the far distant past. It still happens.
RTh
26 Apr 05
Originally posted by RingtailhunterSo while No1Marauder's statements were said with a sensationalist viewpoint, you do agree now that they are true?
I was looking all day for that exact scripture. Anyway, women back then were considered property and commodities by just about all cultures (not all cultures, just those in discussion).
The act of taking small girls is not something that is left in the far distant past. It still happens.
RTh
On a different note, you cannot excuse one wrong because another has been commited. This is a circular path. I'll give you an example. The bible lists the ten commandments as being equal. If you were to steal a goat from me and I were to kill you, would either of us have sinned more?
Nyxie
26 Apr 05
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Originally posted by RingtailhunterI have their own Bible which admits to putting whole cities to the sword; I have their own Bible which brags about conquering other nations and slaughtering all the civilians but the virgin girls and I have their own Bible which says they were conquered by powerful neighbors several times - by the Babylonians, the Assyrians, the Persians and the Romans and such treatment was not meted out to them.I am a student of warfare, including ancient warfare, and these facts and others lead me to conclude that the Israelite method of war was among the most savage in the ancient world. I defy anyone to show me another "civilization" which conducted their campaigns in a more brutal manner.
You have evidence of this? First person writing by someone with a birth certificate stamped by a notary public perhaps who is a real verifiable person?
RTh
26 Apr 05
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Originally posted by no1marauderNo1: "I am a student of warfare ......
I have their own Bible which admits to putting whole cities to the sword; I have their own Bible which brags about conquering other nations and slaughtering all the civilians but the virgin girls and I have their own Bible which ...[text shortened]... ization" which conducted their campaigns in a more brutal manner.
Now I understand.
No1: " ...... that the Israelite method of war was among the most savage in the ancient world."
Prove it !
26 Apr 05
Originally posted by ivanhoeRead my post, numbnuts: did the Babylonians, the Assyrians, the Persians or the Romans do to the Israelites what the Israelites did to the Midianites?
No1: "I am a student of warfare ......
Now I understand.
No1: " ...... that the Israelite method of war was among the most savage in the ancient world."
Prove it !
26 Apr 05
Originally posted by ivanhoeNumbers 31: 1-19 - How the Israelites acted in war; they exterminated the entire population of their enemies except the virgin girls.
Prove your claim !
The Israelites weren't exterminated by the Babylonians, the Assyrians, the Persians or the Romans.
Claim proven.
26 Apr 05
Originally posted by no1marauderHmmmm, I will of course have to confer with stang about this.
I have their own Bible which admits to putting whole cities to the sword; I have their own Bible which brags about conquering other nations and slaughtering all the civilians but the virgin girls and I have their own Bible which says they were conquered by powerful neighbors several times - by the Babylonians, the Assyrians, the Persians and the ...[text shortened]... one to show me another "civilization" which conducted their campaigns in a more brutal manner.
27 Apr 05
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Originally posted by no1marauderThe germans killed every Jew they could fit in the shower or go under a needle.
Numbers 31: 1-19 - How the Israelites acted in war; they exterminated the entire population of their enemies except the virgin girls.
The Israelites weren't exterminated by the Babylonians, the Assyrians, the Persians or the Romans.
Claim proven.
[edit] Man, Woman and child.