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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
My statement is self explanatory and needs no further explanation, you need to explain how you managed to take,

If someone has already given their consent then I don't see how that can be construed as rape, by definition

into,

you think its ok to rape people

So how did you do it, can you explain your thought process for us.

Your statement to me means that you think if a man forcibly has sex with his wife against her wishes, it is ok because they are married and she has therefore concented.

Originally posted by divegeester
Your statement to me means that you think if a man forcibly has sex with his wife against her wishes, it is ok because they are married and she has therefore concented.

It means nothing of the sort, ill spell it out for you then you can tell us how you get from A to B.

If rape is defined as non consensual sex then if you have given your consent how can it be construed as rape? Its a statement about what defines rape based on consent or non consent. It says nothing about forcing anyone to do anything, you simply made that up.

Now you will tell us how you get from,

If someone has already given their consent then I don't see how that can be construed as rape, by definition, into, you think its ok to rape people.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
It means nothing of the sort, ill spell it out for you then you can tell us how you get from A to B.

If rape is defined as non consensual sex then if you have given your consent how can it be construed as rape? Its a statement about what defines rape based on consent or non consent. It says nothing about forcing anyone to do anything, you simply ...[text shortened]... n't see how that can be construed as rape, by definition, into, you think its ok to rape people.

Here's a scenario for you -

Husband - do you want to have sex tonight?
Wife - not tonight.
Husband - well I want to have sex.
Wife - well I don't want to.
Husband - well you are my wife and I want to have sex.
Wife - I don't want to have sex.
Husband - I'm having sex with you, you consented during our Christian marriage vows 15 years ago.
Wife - but I don't want to have sex.

At this point the husband the has sex with his wife despite her wishes. This to you is acceptable?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Here's a scenario for you -

Husband - do you want to have sex tonight?
Wife - not tonight.
Husband - well I want to have sex.
Wife - well I don't want to.
Husband - well you are my wife and I want to have sex.
Wife - I don't want to have sex.
Husband - I'm having sex with you, you consented during our Christian marriage vows 15 years ago.
Wife ...[text shortened]... this point the husband the has sex with his wife despite her wishes. This to you is acceptable?

another personal perspective made up fantasy scenario. I am only interested in arguing objectively not in giving my personal points of view on made up scenarios.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
another personal perspective made up fantasy scenario. I am only interested in arguing objectively not in giving my personal points of view on made up scenarios.

You think husbands who sexually force themselves on their wives is a 'made up scenario'?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
You think husbands who sexually force themselves on their wives is a 'made up scenario'?

Sorry i have absolutely no wish to discuss anything with anyone who cannot argue from an objective perspective and who seeks at every single turn to turn a debate into a personal matter. I find such an approach morally repellent, intellectually dishonest and quite frankly tedious. Don't ask me any more personal view point questions on the basis of fabricated scenarios.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Sorry i have absolutely no wish to discuss anything with anyone who cannot argue from an objective perspective and who seeks at every single turn to turn a debate into a personal matter. I find such an approach morally repellent, intellectually dishonest and quite frankly tedious. Don't ask me any more personal view point questions on the basis of fabricated scenarios.

Wer're discussing YOUR view that marital rape within a Christian marriage cannot be construed as rape because consent was given during the wedding vows. You have since dodged every question put to you. I get it, you're a Christian rape apologist. Christian husbands can have sex with their wives whenever they want, regardless of their wives desires and it can never be called rape. This is quite simply appalling and disgusting.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Wer're discussing YOUR view that marital rape within a Christian marriage cannot be construed as rape because consent was given during the wedding vows. You have since dodged every question put to you. I get it, you're a Christian rape apologist. Christian husbands can have sex with their wives whenever they want, regardless of their wives desires and it can never be called rape. This is quite simply appalling and disgusting.

No you are attempting to make this my view of marital rape when in fact i have taken no stance on the issue being content to look at any ideas objectively. Unless your modus operandi changes I suspect that you will continue to fabricate values and attempt to assign them to people who have not professed them, to make vain attempts to make a debate personal, to use dirty tricks like loaded question and to assume every other value that you like and here you are pontificating to others about what is appalling and disgusting???? Really? excuse me while i am sick.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
It means nothing of the sort, ill spell it out for you then you can tell us how you get from A to B.

If rape is defined as non consensual sex then if you have given your consent how can it be construed as rape? Its a statement about what defines rape based on consent or non consent. It says nothing about forcing anyone to do anything, you simply ...[text shortened]... n't see how that can be construed as rape, by definition, into, you think its ok to rape people.

It is acceptable for a man to physically force his wife to have sex with him?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Wer're discussing YOUR view that marital rape within a Christian marriage cannot be construed as rape because consent was given during the wedding vows. You have since dodged every question put to you. I get it, you're a Christian rape apologist. Christian husbands can have sex with their wives whenever they want, regardless of their wives desires and it can never be called rape. This is quite simply appalling and disgusting.

Robbie is a Jehovah's Witness, he is not a Christian.

Originally posted by divegeester
It is acceptable for a man to physically force his wife to have sex with him?

I find your propensity to make debates personal morally repugnant and intellectually stiffing. Seriously, you, FMF and Proper Knob, its as if the ability to reason objectively is quite beyond you and thus at every turn you seek to make matters personal. Here is what GB has said about you elsewhere and I echo those sentiments,

Memo to FMF & divegeester: Neither of you have remained objectively focused on this thread; rather you’ve both reverted to droning on about off topic forays, clever innuendos and personal attack. Since there’s no possibility of thoughtful discussion now we’re done here for awhile. How long? One month or longer depending on whether or not your modus operandi begins to change. Change in what ways? An objective rather than subjective focus as well as consideration for the needs and wishes of other contributors to this forum

Dont ask me any more personal view point questions, i am only interested in objective debate, this is the last time i will tell you. All other attempts to make debate personal will be ignored.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
No you are attempting to make this my view of marital rape when in fact i have taken no stance on the issue being content to look at any ideas objectively. Unless your modus operandi changes I suspect that you will continue to fabricate values and attempt to assign them to people who have not professed them, to make vain attempts to make a debate per ...[text shortened]... icating to others about what is appalling and disgusting???? Really? excuse me while i am sick.

Why don't you once and for all clear the matter up for us and tell us your views on marital rape? Then we will all know where we stand and and we can have a conversation now knowing our respective positions.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Why don't you once and for all clear the matter up for us and tell us your views on marital rape? Then we will all know where we stand and and we can have a conversation now knowing our respective positions.

Why don't you engage in objective debate rather than fabricating values about other people they have not professed?

Originally posted by divegeester
Robbie is a Jehovah's Witness, he is not a Christian.

Jehovahs witnesses are a Christian denomination, at least today you will have learned something you did not know.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Why don't you engage in objective debate rather than fabricating values about other people they have not professed?

Are you going to tell us your position/ views on the topic we are discussing or not?