18 Aug 11
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Originally posted by jaywill1. Women, just don't speak in church because it is a shame for you to speak in church. If you have a question, ask your husband at home.
Jesus looks beyond your faults and sees your needs.
It is YOU that He loves and YOU that He wants. He does not first want what you can [b]do. He wants YOU first and foremost.[/b]
"Let your women keep silence in the churches, for it is not permitted unto them to speak . . . And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." 1 Corinthians 14:34-35.
2. Plus, women don't be a teacher but be in silence, and don't usurp authority over the man, because Adam was first formed, and also Eve deceived Adam. Women you bear Eve's transgression. Keep silent. Don't teach. Bow to authority of the man.
"Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression" 1 Timothy 2:11-14.
3. Lastly, women, stay plain. Don't dress up. Don't wear jewelry.
"In like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing" 1 Timothy 2:9
18 Aug 11
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Originally posted by moon1969====================================
1. Women, just don't speak in church because it is a shame for you to speak in church. If you have a question, ask your husband at home.
"Let your women keep silence in the churches, for it is not permitted unto them to speak . . . And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a [b]shame for women to speak in the deration, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing" 1 Timothy 2:9[/b]
1. Women, just don't speak in church because it is a shame for you to speak in church. If you have a question, ask your husband at home.
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Interestingly Paul mentioned the wife first in the apostolic team of Priscilla and Aquilla (Rom.16:3) .
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"Let your women keep silence in the churches, for it is not permitted unto them to speak . . . And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." 1 Corinthians 14:34-35.
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Interestingly, Luke, Paul's companion in their missionary travels, spoke of seven daughters who were prophets (Acts 21:9)
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2. Plus, women don't be a teacher but be in silence, and don't usurp authority over the man, because Adam was first formed, and also Eve deceived Adam. Women you bear Eve's transgression. Keep silent. Don't teach. Bow to authority of the man.
"Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression" 1 Timothy 2:11-14.
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Then he writes "But I do not permit a woman to teach or to assert authority over a man, but to be in queitness."
We could take this as essentially Paul saying that this was his particular private practice. "I do not permit ..."
He has the right to instruct his protogege as to what has worked for him in his personal practice.
Anyway, God's Plan of Redemption by one Mary McDonough is a book of Christian teaching I would recommend to anyone without the slightest hesitation.
http://marymcdonough.ccws.org/
And how many hymns did Fanny Crosby write which have become classics ? Some 9,000 or so.
I wonder how many people will remember sermons from guys more than some of the wonderful inspirational songs written by Fanny Crosby ?
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3. Lastly, women, stay plain. Don't dress up. Don't wear jewelry.
"In like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing" 1 Timothy 2:9
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That is good advice for men too. Don't dress so as to draw attention to yourself.
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18 Aug 11
Originally posted by jaywillYou are risking not being short.
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1. Women, just don't speak in church because it is a shame for you to speak in church. If you have a question, ask your husband at home.
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Interestingly Paul mentioned the wife first in the apostolic team of Priscilla and Aquilla (Rom.16:3) .
=== ...[text shortened]... is good advice for men too. Don't dress so as to draw attention to yourself.
18 Aug 11
Originally posted by moon1969You must remember to read things in context. It is known that Paul
1. Women, just don't speak in church because it is a shame for you to speak in church. If you have a question, ask your husband at home.
"Let your women keep silence in the churches, for it is not permitted unto them to speak . . . And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a [b]shame for women to speak in the ...[text shortened]... deration, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing" 1 Timothy 2:9[/b]
wrote letters sometimes to deal with problems the churches were
having. I believe what Paul is proposing is his way of dealing with
the church meetings so they go smoothly and with the purpose
intended when men and women meet to worship. Certain things
apparently were disrupting this purpose like the women being
dressed in ways that would call attention to them. I don't believe
these rules apply in all cases. We need to use our common sense.
18 Aug 11
Originally posted by RJHindsThere was no such thing as common sense back then. The church was the ruler of all life and you dare not go against it or be ex-communicated or worse. They wanted women to be barefoot, pregnant with sons only, and especially to be quiet, and take every abuse the husband chose to mete out.
You must remember to read things in context. It is known that Paul
wrote letters sometimes to deal with problems the churches were
having. I believe what Paul is proposing is his way of dealing with
the church meetings so they go smoothly and with the purpose
intended when men and women meet to worship. Certain things
apparently were disrupting this ...[text shortened]... on to them. I don't believe
these rules apply in all cases. We need to use our common sense.
18 Aug 11
Originally posted by sonhouseWhere did you get this knowlege from?
There was no such thing as common sense back then. The church was the ruler of all life and you dare not go against it or be ex-communicated or worse. They wanted women to be barefoot, pregnant with sons only, and especially to be quiet, and take every abuse the husband chose to mete out.
19 Aug 11
Originally posted by jaywillShort post my ass 😞
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1. Women, just don't speak in church because it is a shame for you to speak in church. If you have a question, ask your husband at home.
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Interestingly Paul mentioned the wife first in the apostolic team of Priscilla and Aquilla (Rom.16:3) .
=== ...[text shortened]... is good advice for men too. Don't dress so as to draw attention to yourself.