19 Aug 11
Originally posted by VoidSpiritMaybe you should read this entire article on communism from
jesus was a communist long before it was discussed as a political ideology in the modern era.
wikipedia and then re-read the New Testament and pay attention
to the parables of His kingdom and compare the two again.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism
19 Aug 11
Originally posted by RJHindsjesusism predates marxism by a couple thousand years.
Maybe you should read this entire article on communism from
wikipedia and then re-read the New Testament and pay attention
to the parables of His kingdom and compare the two again.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism
19 Aug 11
Originally posted by RJHindsyou must be reading the gospel of supply-side jesus. let me introduce you to jesus of nazareth. the one who said things such as:
The point is that the kingdom of God is more like capitalism than communism.
-give all your stuff away.
-live for god and fellowship with each other.
-return your money to the person who created it.
-those unwilling to give up their riches (possessions) won't get into heaven.
-was against usury
-was against classes
-advocates pacifism, forgiveness and blessing enemies (antithesis to capitalism)
-he blessed the meek (the meek don't make it in capitalism)
-advocated forgiveness of debts
-he gave handouts and free healing
-"ask and it shall be given you" not "pay and it is yours"
-"And if any man will sue thee, and take away thy cloak, let him have thy coat also. And whosoever shall compell thee to go a mile, go with him twain. Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away" ( more antithesis to capitalism).
there is nothing remotely capitalist about jesus. he is 100% hippy liberal communist. really a fascinating character, you should read about him, it's in the new testament.
19 Aug 11
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Originally posted by VoidSpiritMatthew 20:1-15
you must be reading the gospel of supply-side jesus. let me introduce you to jesus of nazareth. the one who said things such as:
-give all your stuff away.
-live for god and fellowship with each other.
-return your money to the person who created it.
-those unwilling to give up their riches (possessions) won't get into heaven.
-was against usury
really a fascinating character, you should read about him, it's in the new testament.
"For the Kingdom of Heaven is like unto a man that is a householder,
who went out early in the morning to hire laborers into his vineyard.
And when he had agreed with the laborers for a penny a day, he sent
them into his vineyard.
And he went out about the third hour and saw others standing idle in
the marketplace, and said unto them, `Go ye also into the vineyard,
and whatsoever is right I will give you.' And they went their way.
Again he went out about the sixth and the ninth hour and did likewise.
And about the eleventh hour he went out and found others standing idle,
and said unto them, `Why stand ye here all the day idle?'
They said unto him, `Because no man hath hired us.' He said unto them,
'Go ye also into the vineyard, and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive.'
So when evening had come, the lord of the vineyard said unto his steward,
`Call the laborers and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the
first.' And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they
received every man a penny.
But when the first came, they supposed they should have received more;
and they likewise received every man a penny.
And when they had received it, they murmured against the master of the
house, saying, `These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made
them equal unto us who have borne the burden and the heat of the day.'
But he answered one of them and said, `Friend, I do thee no wrong. Didst
thou not agree with me for a penny?
Take that which is thine and go thy way. I will give unto this last, even as
unto thee.
Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil,
because I am good?'
This sounds like capitalism to me. This landowner is a free market
capitalist. He owns land. This would not be permitted under communism.
He also uses the free-market to hire men to work for him at an agreed
upon salary - capitalism. The rich capitalist uses his money as he sees
fit not as some communist state believes is fair. This is the way the
kingdom of heaven is Jesus says.
19 Aug 11
Originally posted by RJHindsAnother example of Christ's kingdom being more like capitalism than
Matthew 20:1-15
"For the Kingdom of Heaven is like unto a man that is a householder,
who went out early in the morning to hire laborers into his vineyard.
And when he had agreed with the laborers for a penny a day, he sent
them into his vineyard.
And he went out about the third hour and saw others standing idle in
the marketplace, and said unto t ...[text shortened]... ommunist state believes is fair. This is the way the
kingdom of heaven is Jesus says.
communism.
Matthew 25:1-13
Parable of Ten Virgins
“Then the kingdom of heaven will be comparable to ten virgins, who took their
lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. Five of them were foolish, and
five were prudent. For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil
with them, but the prudent took oil in flasks along with their lamps. Now while
the bridegroom was delaying, they all got drowsy and began to sleep. But at
midnight there was a shout, ‘Behold, the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.’
Then all those virgins rose and trimmed their lamps. The foolish said to the
prudent, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ But the
prudent answered, ‘No, there will not be enough for us and you too; go instead
to the dealers and buy some for yourselves.’ And while they were going away
to make the purchase, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went
in with him to the wedding feast; and the door was shut. Later the other
virgins also came, saying, ‘Lord, lord, open up for us.’ But he answered, ‘Truly
I say to you, I do not know you.’ Be on the alert then, for you do not know
the day nor the hour.
Note that in a communist system there is no need to be prudent because
all will share what is needed.
19 Aug 11
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Originally posted by RJHindsLuke 12:14 - "And someone out of the crowd said to Him, Teacher, tell my brother to divide the inheritance with me.
Another example of Christ's kingdom being more like capitalism than
communism.
Matthew 25:1-13
Parable of Ten Virgins
“Then the kingdom of heaven will be comparable to ten virgins, who took their
lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. Five of them were foolish, and
five were prudent. For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil
wi ...[text shortened]... at in a communist system there is no need to be prudent because
all will share what is needed.
But He said to him, Man, who appointed Me a judge or a divider over you ? And He said to them, Watch and guard yourself from all covetousness, for no one's life is in the abundance of his possessions."
19 Aug 11
Originally posted by RJHindsWOW! did you ever miss the point of that parable...try again
Matthew 20:1-15
"For the Kingdom of Heaven is like unto a man that is a householder,
who went out early in the morning to hire laborers into his vineyard.
And when he had agreed with the laborers for a penny a day, he sent
them into his vineyard.
And he went out about the third hour and saw others standing idle in
the marketplace, and said unto t ...[text shortened]... ommunist state believes is fair. This is the way the
kingdom of heaven is Jesus says.
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Originally posted by RJHindsThe parable of the Talents immediately follows the parable of the ten virgins.
Another example of Christ's kingdom being more like capitalism than
communism.
Matthew 25:1-13
Parable of Ten Virgins
“Then the kingdom of heaven will be comparable to ten virgins, who took their
lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. Five of them were foolish, and
five were prudent. For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil
wi ...[text shortened]... at in a communist system there is no need to be prudent because
all will share what is needed.
Matthew 25:14-30 again referring to the kingdom:
“For it is just like a man about to go on a journey, who called his own slaves
and entrusted his possessions to them. To one he gave five talents, to
another, two, and to another, one, each according to his own ability; and
he went on his journey. Immediately the one who had received the five
talents went and traded with them, and gained five more talents. In the
same manner the one who had received the two talents gained two more.
But he who received the one talent went away, and dug a hole in the ground
and hid his master’s money.
Now after a long time the master of those slaves came and settled accounts
with them. The one who had received the five talents came up and brought
five more talents, saying, ‘Master, you entrusted five talents to me. See, I
have gained five more talents.’ His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and
faithful slave. You were faithful with a few things, I will put you in charge of
many things; enter into the joy of your master.’
Also the one who had received the two talents came up and said, ‘Master, you
entrusted two talents to me. See, I have gained two more talents.’ His master
said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful slave. You were faithful with a few
things, I will put you in charge of many things; enter into the joy of your
master.’
And the one also who had received the one talent came up and said, ‘Master,
I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow and gathering
where you scattered no seed. And I was afraid, and went away and hid your
talent in the ground. See, you have what is yours.’
But his master answered and said to him, ‘You wicked, lazy slave, you knew
that I reap where I did not sow and gather where I scattered no seed. Then
you ought to have put my money in the bank, and on my arrival I would have
received my money back with interest. Therefore take away the talent from
him, and give it to the one who has the ten talents.’
For to everyone who has, more shall be given, and he will have an abundance;
but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken
away. Throw out the worthless slave into the outer darkness; in that place
there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Again this sounds like capitalism to me.
19 Aug 11
Originally posted by RJHindsagain you have missed the mark, its about maling the most of what you have been entrusted with, total stewardship beyond money
The parable of the Talents immediately follows the parable of the ten virgins.
Matthew 25:14-30 again referring to the kingdom:
“For it is just like a man about to go on a journey, who called his own slaves
and entrusted his possessions to them. To one he gave five talents, to
another, two, and to another, one, each according to his own ability; and
h ...[text shortened]... place
there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Again this sounds like capitalism to me.
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Originally posted by DowardThat is the way capitalism works, my friend. You might do a little trading,
again you have missed the mark, its about maling the most of what you have been entrusted with, total stewardship beyond money
invest in the stock market, and draw interst from a bank savings account
or CD.
19 Aug 11
Originally posted by RJHindsmmmm..no sorry. At the end of the day one assumes the risk upon oneself. In the parable the master assumes no risk, capitalism is predicated upon risk/reward
That is the way capitalism works, my friend. You might do a little trading,
invest in the stock market, and draw interst from a bank savings account
or CD.
but the parable isn't about that. its spiritually and intellectualy dishonest to try and represent it that way