12 Mar 23
@kellyjay saidIsn’t this what every Christian sect and denomination has done over the centuries?
The truth is here but it is smeared and twisted I agree, even on this chess site people want to rewrite the Word to make it what they want.
Isn’t this what happened at the council of Nicaea?
Isn’t this in fact what you do?
12 Mar 23
@moonbus saidA lot of assumptions, about what was said in front of others, exactly how do you know that no one was also with Pilate and Jesus? The same thing was said about Jesus' trial how did they know what was said in there as well, but with that one, we know some of those that followed Jesus how be it secretly were there. Who was there on the first day of creation to record what God did and said?
Just to add a bit of history here: Biblical scholars are in general agreement that the first gospel was that of Mark, and not earlier than 80 CE, some scholars put it at 110 CE. That's at least 50 years after the death of Jesus, possibly even later. Mark is held to have been Peter's secretary, so Mark never knew Jesus; his gospel is therefore hearsay at one remove, 50 years o ...[text shortened]... uth" between Jesus and Pilate -- this is pure fabrication, long after the fact, for dramatic effect.
14 Mar 23
@divegeester saidAll right, let's stop using words like "twisted", "perverted", "lies." I have it on good authority that the Bible is non-literal commentary which no reasonable person would or should believe to be factual news reporting.
Angels I think, but they aren’t credited with writing Genesis.
14 Mar 23
@moonbus saidIt seems to me this suggestion ought to have been directed at KellyJay rather than divegeester. It was KellyJay who used these words.
All right, let's stop using words like "twisted", "perverted", "lies." I have it on good authority that the Bible is non-literal commentary which no reasonable person would or should believe to be factual news reporting.
@FMF
Yes, quite, but I directed the remark at one who would see the double meaning of it and read it with comprehension and amusement. From Kellyjay, I no longer expect any answer beyond his boilerplate "God is God and cannot be contradicted, truth is truth and cannot contradict itself..."
14 Mar 23
@moonbus saidJust sounds like preaching to the choir, then. I didn't detect the "amusement" aspect.
@FMF
Yes, quite, but I directed the remark at one who would see the double meaning of it and read it with comprehension and amusement. From Kellyjay, I no longer expect any answer beyond his boilerplate "God is God and cannot be contradicted, truth is truth and cannot contradict itself..."
14 Mar 23
@moonbus saidDo you honestly think if something is true it will contradict something else that is also true?
@FMF
Yes, quite, but I directed the remark at one who would see the double meaning of it and read it with comprehension and amusement. From Kellyjay, I no longer expect any answer beyond his boilerplate "God is God and cannot be contradicted, truth is truth and cannot contradict itself..."
@kellyjay saidYour "if something is true it will not contradict something else that is also true" riff has nothing to do with whether or not your subjective opinions about "the truth" are true.
Do you honestly think if something is true it will contradict something else that is also true?
17 Mar 23
@fmf saidGreat things sometimes come from thought exercises. Einstein said his Theory of Relativity came from trying to imagine what the universe would look like if he were moving at the speed of light.
That other thread is just a thought exercise.