Nobody is good, except one, God.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
why is asking for substantiating evidence obtuse, you have not explained.

Seeing as I am not trying to influence or change your beliefs, I have no real use for "substantiating evidence". I have already made it perfectly clear that I don't really care whether or not you agree with me. So for you to ask over and over and over again for "substantiating evidence" is certainly a bit obtuse.

Originally posted by FMF
Seeing as I am not trying to influence or change your beliefs, I have no real use for "substantiating evidence". I have already made it perfectly clear that I don't really care whether or not you agree with me. So for you to ask over and over and over again for "substantiating evidence" is certainly a bit obtuse.

why is substantive evidence the prerequisite of those who wish to persuade others?
scientists provide substantive evidence for their claims, i dont see how they are trying
to persuade or change the beliefs of others by doing so.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
why is substantive evidence the prerequisite of those who wish to persuade others?
scientists provide substantive evidence for their claims, i dont see how they are trying
to persuade or change the beliefs of others by doing so.

I offered my observation, robbie. If you don't accept it for some reason, it's OK. Don't worry about it.

Originally posted by FMF
I offered my observation, robbie. If you don't accept it for some reason, it's OK. Don't worry about it.

I am not worried FMF, I merely find it somewhat strange that persons make the most
outlandish of assertions without the slightest whiff of substantiating evidence, I think it
musty be some kind of social convention to be honest.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I am not worried FMF, I merely find it somewhat strange that persons make the most
outlandish of assertions without the slightest whiff of substantiating evidence, I think it
musty be some kind of social convention to be honest.

If you think that 'the ideal of being good is at the core of pretty much all religions' is amongst the "most outlandish of assertions", why not just say why you think so? Of course, you don't have to if you don't want to.

Originally posted by FMF
If you think that 'the ideal of being good is at the core of pretty much all religions' is amongst the "most outlandish of assertions", why not just say why you think so? Of course, you don't have to if you don't want to.

ok, I wont.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
ok, I wont.

Oh shucks, I just read through all this back-and-forth only to see it come to this.

Was there a bigger point you want to get back to? Any lingering issues for this thread?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
its neither a fiat deceleration nor meaningless, it was a statement made in response to
a cultural salutation, the title, 'good teacher', to which Christ asked a rhetorical
question, why do you call me good? nobody is good except God, your insistence that
this forms a fiat deceleration is a nonsense, and whether it remains to be proven
whethe ...[text shortened]... cates that both Christ and christians are capable of displaying goodness, Galatians
5:22,23.

it is both a fiat declaration and meaningless; it is also falsifiable. christ isn't talking about god, he is talking about a particular god; his father, the god of the old testament.

in many other threads, i and others have proven conclusively using only the bible as reference, that the biblegod is anything but good.

since god in the general sense is not known, it is impossible to reflect on his/her/its goodness, nor if he/she/it is the only being capable of being good.

Originally posted by VoidSpirit
it is both a fiat declaration and meaningless; it is also falsifiable. christ isn't talking about god, he is talking about a particular god; his father, the god of the old testament.

in many other threads, i and others have proven conclusively using only the bible as reference, that the biblegod is anything but good.

since god in the general sense ...[text shortened]... e to reflect on his/her/its goodness, nor if he/she/it is the only being capable of being good.

it was not meaningless to the recipient, or anyone else for that matter, its only
meaningless because you say it is, and your assertion that he was not talking of God
because he was talking of the so called God of the old testament is equally ludicrous.
Let it be known that you have FAILED to state anything of consequence with regard to
the actual meaning of the text and instead insist on obfuscation with meaningless
irrelevancies and appeals to rhetorical arguments. Pearls before swine comes to
mind. As for me I am quite satisfied that it is a reference to God as the highest
standard of goodness in the absolute and consummate sense.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I have already given my own thoughts, it appears to me to be a statement in which
Christ is stating that God is good in the absolute and consummate sense, for clearly,
Christians are counselled to display goodness elsewhere in the Bible, Galatians
5:22,23. You never mind about the governing body of Jehovahs witnesses, you just try
to underst ...[text shortened]... would be of greater concern to me
than the governing body of Jehovahs witnesses if i were you.

So let me ask you this:

Is Jesus "good" or not?

Originally posted by divegeester
So let me ask you this:

Is Jesus "good" or not?

Yes, of course. All Christians are urged to display goodness,

(Galatians 5:22-23) . . .On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace,
long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith,  mildness, self-control. Against such things
there is no law.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Yes, of course. All Christians are urged to display goodness,

(Galatians 5:22-23) . . .On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace,
long-suffering, kindness, [b]goodness, faith,  mildness, self-control. Against such things
there is no law.[/b]

And "no one is good except God"...?

Originally posted by divegeester
And "no one is good except God"...?

what is it about, God is good in the absolute and consummate sense that you fail to
comprehend? If christians are to display goodness, or be good, then clearly, this is the
intended meaning of Christs words, otherwise, you will need to explain how the are to
cultivate the quality of goodness, if in reality, only God is good. Thus logic itself
dictates how we can understand Christ's intended meaning.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Yes, of course. All Christians are urged to display goodness,

(Galatians 5:22-23) . . .On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace,
long-suffering, kindness, [b]goodness, faith,  mildness, self-control. Against such things
there is no law.[/b]

This urging to display goodness is at the core of Christianity.

Originally posted by FMF
This urging to display goodness is at the core of Christianity.

Is it?