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Originally posted by josephwhave you considered that the act of sodomy is an act carried out by both heterosexual and homosexuals. is the bible specifically talking about sexuality or could it be specifically referring to the sexual act?
[b]"What does the Bible say about those who judge others?"
What does the Bible say about homosexuality? It's not judging others to point out what the Bible says about sodomy. The Word of God as it is contained in the Bible is the final authority on all matters of life and living. Intolerance of sin is not about judging the person, but the act of sin. ...[text shortened]... e of God.
It is out of love that a believer in the truth of God calls sin out for what it is.[/b]
a homosexual is still a homosexual even if they refrain from sodomy.
Originally posted by josephwYou have to be kidding, right? "Nobody is judging anyone, wake up"?
Nobody is judging anyone. Wake up!
God judges and calls out homosexuality as a sin. You don't believe there is a God so you default to accusations of hate, which is hypocritical, and a pathetically immature obfuscation of the topic of discussion.
OF COURSE you are judging. You might be rationalizing it all away in religious overtures but you are still judging.
The bible was written by HUMANS not deities and THEY are the ones who announced homosexuality as a sin not a god.
You are so stuck on the infallibility of the bible you forget who actually wrote those words. This is a HUMAN work not the work of a deity.
Look at the statement of Stellafane: Homosexuality is still homosexuality even if there is no sodomy.
So here we are, human population approaching 8 BILLION, ruining the entire planet, causing mass extinctions and yet people are still deriding homosexuality like it was the plague.
I think a deity would be happy to see non reproducing parts of the population lowering the total plague of humanity on the planet.
The whole thing says no deity is involved in ANYTHING. If a deity was to look at the ruin we are making of the world, I would think it would sprinkle magic dust to make us say, 1/3 as reproductive or something to stop this unending red tide of humanity stripping the entire planet of it's resources.
At the end of humanity, when we all go extinct as we must eventually, what legacy will humans leave to the next batch of intelligence that occupies the planet, Hmm? Oh sorry, there is no more oil, we used it up, and so sorry about all that radioactive nuclear waste that will be with the planet for a few million years. So sorry we offed so many species that the diversity of the entire planet is down 50 percent.
You who replace us will have a hard road because of us. So sorry.
Originally posted by stellspalfieConfused aren't you? Confusion arises from a misunderstanding of the truth. The Bible is quite clear about what sin is and what's not.
have you considered that the act of sodomy is an act carried out by both heterosexual and homosexuals. is the bible specifically talking about sexuality or could it be specifically referring to the sexual act?
a homosexual is still a homosexual even if they refrain from sodomy.
No one in their right mind can say that the Bible isn't clear about what it says homosexuality and sin is. Sodomy, bestiality and fornication.
Outline of Biblical Usage: Fornication-Porneia, from which the word pornography is derived.
"illicit sexual intercourse
adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.
sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18
sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11,12
metaph. the worship of idols
of the defilement of idolatry, as incurred by eating the sacrifices offered to idols",
and a host of many other aberrant and illicit acts of human behavior detrimental to the health and well being of mankind.
It's not about hate or intolerance. It's about the truth. It's about what God's Word teaches about what the truth is.
Everybody makes their own choice to believe or not. Hating people because they commit such acts of debauchery isn't an option given to believers contrary to the views held by the naysayer.
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Originally posted by josephwcan you point me to the part of the bible which says that being a homosexual is wrong?
Confused aren't you? Confusion arises from a misunderstanding of the truth. The Bible is quite clear about what sin is and what's not.
No one in their right mind can say that the Bible isn't clear about what it says homosexuality and sin is. Sodomy, bestiality and fornication.
Outline of Biblical Usage: Fornication-Porneia, from which the word pornogr ...[text shortened]... cts of debauchery isn't an option given to believers contrary to the views held by the naysayer.
edit: "Fornication-Porneia" appears to be referring to sexual acts. can you provide so evidence that it is also referring to sexuality?
26 Dec 14
Originally posted by divegeesterI have changed my ways considerably and have benefitted tremendously for it. I recommend it for any who are looking for a better way of life. Wouldn't you agree that a better life is based on more information in order to make better choices?
Is there something in the Bible that can help you change your ways?
Originally posted by josephwIt's not about hate or intolerance. It's about the truth. It's about what God's Word teaches about what the truth is.
Confused aren't you? Confusion arises from a misunderstanding of the truth. The Bible is quite clear about what sin is and what's not.
No one in their right mind can say that the Bible isn't clear about what it says homosexuality and sin is. Sodomy, bestiality and fornication.
Outline of Biblical Usage: Fornication-Porneia, from which the word pornogr ...[text shortened]... cts of debauchery isn't an option given to believers contrary to the views held by the naysayer.
Actually it is about hate and/or intolerance which is made readily apparent by the double standard if not utter hypocrisy of your position.
Let's take a closer look at some of the TRUTH quoted in the OP:
1 Corinthians 6
10 thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom.
And the
The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 3183
Original Word
Word Origin
mevqusoß
from (3184)
Transliterated Word
TDNT Entry
Methusos
4:545,576
Phonetic Spelling
Parts of Speech
meth'-oo-sos
Noun Masculine
Definition
1. drunken, intoxicated
Pasted from <http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/kjv/methusos.html>
And finally at what YOU posted on another thread:
1. That all sounds too complicated. But of course I'm working on my third beer.
http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=162156&page=2#post_3332725
Many Christians like YOU seem more than ready to point out the "truth" when it comes to homosexuality, but do not do so when it comes to intoxication, greed, gluttony, etc. Is it any wonder that so many have nothing but disdain for the position of those such as YOU.
You're really something JW.
26 Dec 14
Originally posted by stellspalfie(Genesis 19:4, 5) Before they could lie down to sleep, the men of the city—the men of Sod′om from boy to old man, all of them—surrounded the house in one mob. 5 And they kept calling out to Lot and saying to him: “Where are the men who came in to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we may have sex with them.”
can you point me to the part of the bible which says that being a homosexual is wrong?
edit: "Fornication-Porneia" appears to be referring to sexual acts. can you provide so evidence that it is also referring to sexuality?
(Genesis 19:24) Then Jehovah made it rain sulfur and fire on Sod′om and Go·mor′rah—it came from Jehovah, from the heavens.
(Malachi 3:6) “For I am Jehovah; I do not change. ..... you have not yet come to your finish.
This is one example that comes to mind.
Semantics is wonderful but we also need to get the sense of words that are used.
That would be called understanding.
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Originally posted by ThinkOfOneYou mix your posters.
[b]It's not about hate or intolerance. It's about the truth. It's about what God's Word teaches about what the truth is.
Actually it is about hate and/or intolerance which is made readily apparent by the double standard if not utter hypocrisy of your position.
Let's take a closer look at some of the TRUTH quoted in the OP:
1 Corinthians 6
10 ...[text shortened]... y have nothing but disdain for the position of those such as you.
You're really something JW.[/b]
I do have a beer occasionally but have not had even 2 beers at a sitting for over 40 years. Anyway that is a different subject.
As I did observe just previously, semantics is wonderful but we need to get the sense of the words also.
26 Dec 14
Originally posted by roigamPerhaps this is one of those days that are an exception, because I was clearly responding to josephw.
You mix your posters.
I do have a beer occasionally but have not had even 2 beers at a sitting for over 40 years. Anyway that is a different subject.