30 Oct 11
Originally posted by bbarrOk.
Well, you can only reliably infer from experiments that are replicable, and when potentially confounding variables are controlled. You may need to check the brick/foot relationship under a variety of circumstances. Does it similarly hurt when others drop the brick, or when the brick is larger? Get back to me on this.
But do you see where I'm going with this.
Is the pain in the "mind"?
Apparently those Tibetans can melt snow by just sitting there ..
31 Oct 11
Originally posted by RJHindsThe Present time is all we have. The future and past are non-existent from an eternal point of view.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3XdXEJEI4E&feature=related
http://www.constitution.org/col/amazing_grace.htm
P.S. Although I do not believe I am completely saved at the present
time; but I am in a process now that will in the end result in salvation
with eternal life. HalleluYAH !!!
of course we need to make clear sense of what the past and future entail in an everyday sense,perfectly, to transcend those apparent limitations.
31 Oct 11
Originally posted by bbarrOh, and dont think the humour of your post escaped me.
Well, you can only reliably infer from experiments that are replicable, and when potentially confounding variables are controlled. You may need to check the brick/foot relationship under a variety of circumstances. Does it similarly hurt when others drop the brick, or when the brick is larger? Get back to me on this.
I have dropped a 1.5-2kg rock from a height of nearly 3 feet on my foot,(right in the middle of the second and thrird toe), what are you going to do to keep this "challenge" alive? 🙂
It doesn't have to involve physical pain, just a challenge of sorts.
(Of course you may think I'm daft for doing this, and some do no doubt, but I am trying to gleen if you or anyone else can see any "spiritual merit" in any of this?)
31 Oct 11
Originally posted by karoly aczelMethinks any "spiritual merit" one expects to "get", is an empty product of one's desire to taste Karma😵
Oh, and dont think the humour of your post escaped me.
I have dropped a 1.5-2kg rock from a height of nearly 3 feet on my foot,(right in the middle of the second and thrird toe), what are you going to do to keep this "challenge" alive? 🙂
It doesn't have to involve physical pain, just a challenge of sorts.
(Of course you may think I'm daft for ...[text shortened]... I am trying to gleen if you or anyone else can see any "spiritual merit" in any of this?)
31 Oct 11
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Originally posted by black beetleIs that a universal appraisal or just for me and my situation ?.(it's hard to be humble on a forum where you have to express yourself and silence wont do.)
Methinks any "spiritual merit" one expects to "get", is an empty product of one's desire to taste Karma😵
31 Oct 11
Originally posted by karoly aczelIt 's my opinion as regards the (empty) nature of any kind of enveloping any kind of "spiritual merit". It's all just a glimpse (of your desire, thus of yourself) on your Mirror I reckon😵
Is that a universal appraisal or just for me and my situation ?.(it's hard to be humble on a forum where you have to express yourself and silence wont do.)
31 Oct 11
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Originally posted by black beetleYes it is.
It 's my opinion as regards the (empty) nature of any kind of enveloping any kind of "spiritual merit". It's all just a glimpse (of your desire, thus of yourself) on your Mirror I reckon😵
I once was three people all "walking" into each other,(all some bizarre reflection of eachother,nonphysical ,mind you). I have heard of this in hindu folklore (this kind of experience), unfortunately I was overwhelmed with fear at the time to walk into the abyss. But next time I'll be prepared.
edit: anyway, the main gist of the op was to gleen what bbarr and others thought of the objective pain and whether it was real or not.
My dropping a rock on my foot was just a sideshow to show I was serious in some sort of way ..
and thank you all for your input, it has been a most enjoyable thread for me and thanks for your indulgence.
31 Oct 11
Originally posted by karoly aczelWell of course pain is real. You feel it, don't you? But that doesn't mean that it exists independently of minds, or that it exists as an object in minds, or that its qualitative character (its ouchiness) is independent of how we're disposed to evaluate it. It can be an objective fact that we're having a subjective experience the content of which is partly determined by our other subjective states (e.g., beliefs, desires, hopes and fears...).
Yes it is.
I once was three people all "walking" into each other,(all some bizarre reflection of eachother,nonphysical ,mind you). I have heard of this in hindu folklore (this kind of experience), unfortunately I was overwhelmed with fear at the time to walk into the abyss. But next time I'll be prepared.
edit: anyway, the main gist of the op was ...[text shortened]... ll for your input, it has been a most enjoyable thread for me and thanks for your indulgence.
31 Oct 11
Originally posted by bbarrIt also depends on our nerve sensory system to the pain center in the brain
Well of course pain is real. You feel it, don't you? But that doesn't mean that it exists independently of minds, or that it exists as an object in minds, or that its qualitative character (its ouchiness) is independent of how we're disposed to evaluate it. It can be an objective fact that we're having a subjective experience the content of which is partly determined by our other subjective states (e.g., beliefs, desires, hopes and fears...).
I understand. Do you have a comment on that? Perhaps this is a science
matter.
31 Oct 11
Originally posted by bbarrWhat if I dont feel it?
Well of course pain is real. You feel it, don't you? But that doesn't mean that it exists independently of minds, or that it exists as an object in minds, or that its qualitative character (its ouchiness) is independent of how we're disposed to evaluate it. It can be an objective fact that we're having a subjective experience the content of which is partly determined by our other subjective states (e.g., beliefs, desires, hopes and fears...).
Or is it more real the more painful it is?
(just got up, not really thinking right yet)