Pagan basis of the trinity.

Originally posted by black beetle
The Christian Trinity is not only of pagan origin, but also it cannot be backed up by the Scripture
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Good simple statement..... 🙂

Originally posted by black beetle
The Christian Trinity is not only of pagan origin, but also it cannot be backed up by the Scripture
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You are are wrong because I have already backed it up with scripture
and I have only given a few of the many proofs in the Holy Bible.

Originally posted by black beetle
Feel free to put your trust wherever you want; treating the other just as you want to be treated and reading a book or two from times to times just for a change, methinks would do
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I am too old to be wasting any more of this life on nonsense and lies.

Originally posted by RJHinds
You are are wrong because I have already backed it up with scripture
and I have only given a few of the many proofs in the Holy Bible.

No, bb is wrong because anything he would say that is contrary to your preconceived ideas would be dismissed without the slightest superficial scrutiny. In any case it would not matter what he put forward, factual or otherwise. It goes against what you believe so you deem it wrong. Reason and rationality play no part in your thinking or ideas, here or elsewhere.

So you believe; good for you. Anytime someone prefaces a statement "I believe that..." (or any such declaration to that effect), they are excusing themself from using reason, logic, or rational flow. The supernatural, irrational, and insane thought processes have permission to move freely. That certainly appears to be the case in all your rants and responses.

Originally posted by Badwater
No, bb is wrong because anything he would say that is contrary to your preconceived ideas would be dismissed without the slightest superficial scrutiny. In any case it would not matter what he put forward, factual or otherwise. It goes against what you believe so you deem it wrong. Reason and rationality play no part in your thinking or ideas, here or elsew ...[text shortened]... mission to move freely. That certainly appears to be the case in all your rants and responses.

You are spouting off more nonsense, because we all believe one thing or
another, even if we don't express it.

Originally posted by RJHinds
You are spouting off more nonsense, because we all believe one thing or
another, even if we don't express it.

We all have our beliefs and that is fine. But when one condemns or offends others by the use of demeaning words or expressions that you feel for some reason are exceptable and that others find offensive, that is wrong and not a Christian quality by any streach of the imagination.
Most of us would respect your beliefs and opinions more if you should the same respect to us that we try to show you even though you make that hard to do at times.......

Originally posted by RJHinds
I am too old to be wasting any more of this life on nonsense and lies.

It appears you are probably too old to learn to behave and to debate properly; and methinks you are probably too old to become one with and to transmit the spirit of Jesus
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Originally posted by RJHinds
You are are wrong because I have already backed it up with scripture
and I have only given a few of the many proofs in the Holy Bible.

Your argumentation at this thread regarding this matter is either too weak or wrong all along the line; you should try harder. Since you are unable to conduct a research about the archetypes, the historical data and the evolution of the religions and their core concepts and beliefs all around the dial, all I can do for you is to back you up with some material regarding your religion, so that you maybe provide some tenable arguments.


Matthew 1:20 cannot address the problem regarding the Father of Jesus: how many are the Fathers in the Christian Trinity? You see, Ruach means “spirit” (pneuma in Greek, my native language), therefore it’s clear that Ruach/ Holy Spirit cannot be separated within the Godhead. For further information, check Strongs 7307, 4151. Also, compare Gen. 1:2, 1 Cor. 15:45, 2 Cor.3:17, Phil. 1:19, and hopefully you will see clearly that the Holy Spirit is applied both to the “Father” and the “Son”, therefore it is not a “person” in its own will in the Godhead, just as the breath and the strength of a person is not separated from it.

Regarding Isaiah 9:6, there is neither a hint nor an evidence showing that the Christian Trinity is a tenable doctrine –unless the scribe who took the revelation from the Ineffable Entity forgot that Jesus was to be the Son and not the Father. Therefore, according to the Trinity doctrine, Jesus must be considered delusional when he said “I and the Farther are One”, for he should have said “I and the Father are the 66,6% of the Three Person Deity”. And Jesus would be delusional too when he said “...he that has seen me has seen the Father”, for he should have said “...he that has seen me has seen the 33,3% of the Triune Godhead that looks like the 33,3% of the person identified as the Father”. Therefore the doctrine does not hold, and Jesus appears to be identified as both the Father and the Son; over here, my evaluation is that there is no Trinity, that the Ineffable Entity is One instead of being a collection of persons, and that YHVH remains One although S/He can be manifested in many forms. This evaluation is affirmed by Isaiah 44:24. Therefore Col. 1:15-18 is false because it contradicts Isaiah 43:11 and 63:16.

Also, the plurality used in Gen. 1:26 cannot be used as a proof that YHVH is a corporate being. It simply points to YHVH speaking with Her/His angels, otherwise we should read in Gen. 1:27 “…and They created man in Their own image”. This is also the case in Gen. 3:22-24, where YHVH addresses Her/His angels again, when it is discussed the fact that man acquired the knowledge of good and evil, a knowledge the angels already had.

Regarding Matthew 28:19, there is no hint of Trinity and the text does not mention that the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost comprise a triune Godhead. If we accept that Jesus is YHVH, anybody baptized in the name of Jesus is baptized in the name of the Father, of the Son and of the Holy Ghost at the same time, and in every known name of YHVH.

Regarding John 5:5-8, the hint is merely that the Good News are validated by means of water/immersion, blood/crucifixion and Ruach/Spirit on Earth in accordance to the Father, the Son and Ruach in heaven. This is backed up with Luke 3:21,22, and one has to keep in mind that: just as water/immersion, blood/crucifixion and Ruach/Spirit on Earth do not comprise a trinity, a trinity is also not comprised in heaven by the Father, the Son and Ruach. All in all, three bear witness on Earth and three bear witness in heaven. Thus no Trinity.

Finally, Gen. 1:2, Acts 2:18, John 17:3 and 14:28, Mark 12:29 and 1 Cor. 11:3 dismiss the idea of the Trinity.



One has to overcome his delusions; if there is something, find it on your own
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Originally posted by black beetle
Your argumentation at this thread regarding this matter is either too weak or wrong all along the line; you should try harder. Since you are unable to conduct a research about the archetypes, the historical data and the evolution of the religions and their core concepts and beliefs all around the dial, all I can do for you is to back you up with some ma ...[text shortened]... rinity.



One has to overcome his delusions; if there is something, find it on your own
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Plus the Bible makes it very clear that Satan can and does blind the eyes of those who don't want to see the truth even in it's simplist forms. Satan has been doing that from the beginning with our first parents.
The Bible says he has the power and influance to mislead the entire inhabited earth if given the chance. So since he has this power to influance, why wouldn't he use religion to teach false doctrines that not only confuse those who are prone to be lead that direction but it simply confuses them about God and who he is and who his son is.
Again Satan did that with Adam & Eve and confused them into thinking God was a lier.

Originally posted by galveston75
Plus the Bible makes it very clear that Satan can and does blind the eyes of those who don't want to see the truth even in it's simplist forms. Satan has been doing that from the beginning with our first parents.
The Bible says he has the power and influance to mislead the entire inhabited earth if given the chance. So since he has this power to influa ...[text shortened]... on is.
Again Satan did that with Adam & Eve and confused them into thinking God was a lier.

Things are born around us and nobody knows where are they coming from; they come and they go through the gateless gate. People use to take for granted what they know, they cannot profit by the void
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Originally posted by black beetle
Your argumentation at this thread regarding this matter is either too weak or wrong all along the line; you should try harder. Since you are unable to conduct a research about the archetypes, the historical data and the evolution of the religions and their core concepts and beliefs all around the dial, all I can do for you is to back you up with some ma ...[text shortened]... rinity.



One has to overcome his delusions; if there is something, find it on your own
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a beautiful text full of example and reason.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
a beautiful text full of example and reason.

The roots of yer tradition, the Gate of the West:
“The vision of the 10 Sefirot of Nothingness is like the appearance of lightening, they have no limit. His Word in them is running and returning. They rush to His saying like a whirlwind, and before His throne they prostrate themselves. Their end is embedded in their beginning and their beginning in their end; For the Master is singular, He has no second. And before One, what do you count?
So bridle your mouth from speaking and your heart from thinking. And if your heart runs, return to the place, as it is written, “The Chayot running and returning”.


And the roots of mine, the Gate of the East:
“No-thought is founded in Non-action. Its essence is Sunyata and ego is its activity, for Suchness is not chained in thought and cannot be known through thought. Reality does not arise, so how could a mind bound by form can see it? The thought of no-thought is the thought of Suchness, the production of non-production produces Reality. Abiding through non-abiding is acting through non-action, then one reaches the Other Shore: Suchness does not move but its function is inexhaustible. If you are thinking constantly nothing is pursued. The pursuit is of the original no-thought.”

This way black beetle spreads the ego-killing poison through the West and the East Gate, rides a snail to everywhere, swims in the teardrop of a crying butterfly, swings upon a spiders’ thread, has his palace in the water; when he began to understand he ended up an ignorant. The sword that killed him is the sword that saved him. Before One, he does not count. Vast Emptiness, Nothing Holy.

May All Beings Be Happy!
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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
a beautiful text full of example and reason.

Are you in love with black beetle too?

Originally posted by RJHinds
Are you in love with black beetle too?

I am a Christian, i am under duress to show love to all persons, even enemies like you.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
a beautiful text full of example and reason.

If I agree with you will you please blow smoke up my ass too?

What BB is saying aligns with your cult doctrine. If BB disagreed with you he'd soon be relegated to the "lol" division you and Galv resort to when confronted by argument.