30 Dec 12
Once again, we have the two diametrically opposed viewpoints. We have the rationalists saying, "Defend your assertions, the burden if proof is on you," and we have the Jeebus folks with their fingers in their ears saying "I can't hear you, nah nah nah! Jeebus, Jeebus, Jeebus!" Is that about the long and short of it?
30 Dec 12
Originally posted by shilohAs a Christian, I have defended my belief many time on here with evidence from the creation in six days to the Shroud of Turin and the Sudarium of Oviedo. It is the atheists and evolutionists that can give no evidence for their belief and say, "the burden of proof is on you" and with their fingers in their ears say, "I can't hear you, nah nah nah! Evolution, evolution, evolution!" 😏
Once again, we have the two diametrically opposed viewpoints. We have the rationalists saying, "Defend your assertions, the burden if proof is on you," and we have the Jeebus folks with their fingers in their ears saying "I can't hear you, nah nah nah! Jeebus, Jeebus, Jeebus!" Is that about the long and short of it?
30 Dec 12
Originally posted by shilohTruth is always Truth, Opinions change over time.
I really have difficulty wrapping my head around the idea that in this day and age, many otherwise rational and seemingly intelligent people seem to honestly profess to believe LITERALLY in simplistic, Bronze Age hokum based on childish misinterpretations of the parables in the Bible, which are clearly metaphors for the complex, dualistic nature of man. If I ...[text shortened]... stuck with mere "thumpers" and "haters" wih no room in between for discussion? What say you?
30 Dec 12
Originally posted by RJHindsMy friend, there is no evidence for a six day creation. In point of fact, all available evidence refutes it. Furthermore, the burden of proof IS on you to defend your extraordinary claims. Logically speaking, one cannot prove a negative proposition, ie I cannot prove there is no Bigfoot. However, was I to claim to know Bigfoot existed, would it then be your responsibility to provide exhaustive research to prove me wrong? Of course not. The burden of proof is on the claimant. Always.
As a Christian, I have defended my belief many time on here with evidence from the creation in six days to the Shroud of Turin and the Sudarium of Oviedo. It is the atheists and evolutionists that can give no evidence for their belief and say, "the burden of proof is on you" and with their fingers in their ears say, "I can't hear you, nah nah nah! Evolution, evolution, evolution!" 😏
30 Dec 12
Originally posted by shilohAnd BTW, how can you claim the "evolutionists" have no evidence for their "beliefs?" It is the ONLY theory available which accounts for ALL the available evidence!
My friend, there is no evidence for a six day creation. In point of fact, all available evidence refutes it. Furthermore, the burden of proof IS on you to defend your extraordinary claims. Logically speaking, one cannot prove a negative proposition, ie I cannot prove there is no Bigfoot. However, was I to claim to know Bigfoot existed, would it then be your r ...[text shortened]... stive research to prove me wrong? Of course not. The burden of proof is on the claimant. Always.
30 Dec 12
Originally posted by shilohJust as I said, It is the atheists and evolutionists that can give no evidence for their belief and say, "the burden of proof is on you" and with their fingers in their ears say, "I can't hear you, nah nah nah! Evolution, evolution, evolution!" 😏
My friend, there is no evidence for a six day creation. In point of fact, all available evidence refutes it. Furthermore, the burden of proof IS on you to defend your extraordinary claims. Logically speaking, one cannot prove a negative proposition, ie I cannot prove there is no Bigfoot. However, was I to claim to know Bigfoot existed, would it then be your r ...[text shortened]... stive research to prove me wrong? Of course not. The burden of proof is on the claimant. Always.
30 Dec 12
Originally posted by RJHindsMy friend, we are talking in circles, because you refuse to admit when you are wrong.
Just as I said, [b]It is the atheists and evolutionists that can give no evidence for their belief and say, "the burden of proof is on you" and with their fingers in their ears say, "I can't hear you, nah nah nah! Evolution, evolution, evolution!" 😏[/b]
30 Dec 12
There is no conflict between evolution and creationism. Evolution, in the general sense, is not a belief. It is fact. It is observable, provable fact. Darwin's Theory of Evolution is a theory. Theories evolve from facts. It is the theory which best accounts for the known evidence, which is why most scientists who study such things consider it the most likely explanation. Creationism is religious parable. It does not meet the vaguest criteria as theory, because it is in opposition to known fact. If you choose to build a belief system on rhetoric and allegory which has nothing to do with objective reality, you are free to do so. Shalom.
30 Dec 12
Originally posted by shilohI have been wrong many times and do not refuse to admit it. Perhaps you are really speaking for yourself. You have been presented with information on why evolution is stupid and all you can do is accuse me of your own failings. You can rename "adaptation and variations" to "evolution" if you wish, but that does not change the fact that the theory of evolution is a dud. 😏
My friend, we are talking in circles, because you refuse to admit when you are wrong.
30 Dec 12
Originally posted by RJHindsHere is a question I have always wanted to ask and so RJ,
I have been wrong many times and do not refuse to admit it. Perhaps you are really speaking for yourself. You have been presented with information on why evolution is stupid and all you can do is accuse me of your own failings. You can rename "adaptation and variations" to "evolution" if you wish, but that does not change the fact that the theory of evolution is a dud. 😏
if you don't mind I will ask it of you.
Do not be offended, I am only asking a question.
The question is, if god spoke to people and interacted with them as he is
alleged to have done all those thousands of years ago.
Why does he not do it today? We do not hear any voice from the heavens.
We do not see any burning bushes and we do not see the parting of the seas
like we were told happened when the red sea miraculously separated for Moses.
Why do we not see that kind of divine intervention today?
30 Dec 12
Originally posted by shilohYour belief in the theory of evolution is based on faith alone. The fact is that evolution has never happened and it never will. What the evolutionist claim to see as evolution is just adaptation and variation and sometimes a few mutations. They are so desporate to prove evolution that they have gone out of their way to falsify the records and commit outright fraud on the scientific community and the general public because the only alternative of special creation is unthinkable for them to accept. You have been taught these lies and believe them. There are many unexplained problems with the theory, which should never have went past the hypothesis stage. The theory of evolution is a dud.
There is no conflict between evolution and creationism. Evolution, in the general sense, is not a belief. It is fact. It is observable, provable fact. Darwin's Theory of Evolution is a theory. Theories evolve from facts. It is the theory which best accounts for the known evidence, which is why most scientists who study such things consider it the most likely ...[text shortened]... ric and allegory which has nothing to do with objective reality, you are free to do so. Shalom.
30 Dec 12
Originally posted by johnnylongwoodyNot everyone sees any divine intervention today, because the Son is in Heaven with the Father preparing a place for all believers. We Christians on Earth are His representatiives today and we have the testimonies of those who wrote the scriptures. We are not left alone however, because the third person of the trinity of God, the Holy Spirit, is here to teach and guide us to the truth. It is not his purpose to show miraculous signs to the unbeliever today, so don't look for them as proof of God.
Here is a question I have always wanted to ask and so RJ,
if you don't mind I will ask it of you.
Do not be offended, I am only asking a question.
The question is, if god spoke to people and interacted with them as he is
alleged to have done all those thousands of years ago.
Why does he not do it today? We do not hear any voice from the ...[text shortened]... miraculously separated for Moses.
Why do we not see that kind of divine intervention today?
30 Dec 12
Originally posted by RJHindsLol.
Your belief in the theory of evolution is based on faith alone. The fact is that evolution has never happened and it never will. What the evolutionist claim to see as evolution is just adaptation and variation and sometimes a few mutations. They are so desporate to prove evolution that they have gone out of their way to falsify the records and commit outr ...[text shortened]... eory, which should never have went past the hypothesis stage. The theory of evolution is a dud.