Personal Relationship with Jesus Christ

Originally posted by KellyJay
To give you some scriptural support for my views on work and God here
are some points that I believe touch it good enough for you to at least
understand my views and how I get them. To begin with, I’m not
debating what a ‘good work’ is. A work if it is good, will be so no matter
who does it; however, that does not mean that reason the work was
done wil ...[text shortened]... es what is done in secret, will reward you.

I hope this helps you understand my views.
Kelly

Well I understand your views.

First I dont think you provided any evidence that this statement you made is actually Bibilical : 'good works can only be done in Christ'. Im still waiting for that.

Next it appears that you are taking the view that since there can be ulterior motives for good works, then that in some way affects what Christ said about good works. I think Christ was crystal clear that good works [as defined by him and which are not done with ulterior motives in mind] are essential for eternal life. Those who do what appear to be good works and for the wrong reason Christ will know and deal with that accordingly. I cannot claim to know that.

My opinion is that Christians need to be careful of how they interpret the Bible in the way you did here. It is possible to argue your way around anything .

Originally posted by Rajk999
Well I understand your views.

First I dont think you provided any evidence that this statement you made is actually Bibilical : [b]'good works can only be done in Christ'. Im still waiting for that.

Next it appears that you are taking the view that since there can be ulterior motives for good works, then that in some way affects what Christ said ab ...[text shortened]... interpret the Bible in the way you did here. It is possible to argue your way around anything .[/b]

I don't think you read my posts, if you are still saying that! The point I
made was not that good works could only be done in Christ! Please take the
time to read what I was stressing! I told you that the only ones that God
will accept are only done in Christ, because in our flesh we cannot please
God.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I don't think you read my posts, if you are still saying that! The point I
made was not that good works could only be done in Christ! Please take the
time to read what I was stressing! I told you that the only ones that God
will accept are only done in Christ, because in our flesh we cannot please
God.
Kelly

Your answers are not clear. Anyway I will have to disagree with that interpretation of the Bible. So I will end this conversation here. Im not one to pursue someone for clearer answers.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Your answers are not clear. Anyway I will have to disagree with that interpretation of the Bible. So I will end this conversation here. Im not one to pursue someone for clearer answers.

You have got to be kidding me!
You do not think that nothing done in the flesh is acceptable to God is clear?
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
You have got to be kidding me!
You do not think that nothing done in the flesh is acceptable to God is clear?
Kelly

No it is not clear. Quote the passage and let us see what it says. You are giving your wording and interpretation of the passage.

Originally posted by Rajk999
No it is not clear. Quote the passage and let us see what it says. You are giving your wording and interpretation of the passage.

It seems very cut and dry to me, maybe you see something I don't, but
you'll have to tell me how someone hostile to God is going to please Him
doing anything short of turning their lives over to Him to be saved.
Kelly

Romans 8:7-9New International Version (NIV)
7 The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8 Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God.
9 You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ.

Originally posted by KellyJay
It seems very cut and dry to me, maybe you see something I don't, but
you'll have to tell me how someone hostile to God is going to please Him
doing anything short of turning their lives over to Him to be saved.
Kelly

Romans 8:7-9New International Version (NIV)
7 The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor ...[text shortened]... od lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ.

Ok good. Here is what you said:

'good works done in the flesh will be meaningless, since nothing done in the flesh can please God.

And here is the passage you quoted:

Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. (Romans 8:7-9 KJV)

Did that passage say anything about good works done in the flesh?

Originally posted by Rajk999
Ok good. Here is what you said:

'good works done in the flesh will be meaningless, since nothing done in the flesh can please God.

And here is the passage you quoted:

Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye ar ...[text shortened]... his. (Romans 8:7-9 KJV)

Did that passage say anything about good works done in the flesh?

What can anyone do in the flesh that would please God?
Kelly

Originally posted by Rajk999
Ok good. Here is what you said:

'good works done in the flesh will be meaningless, since nothing done in the flesh can please God.

And here is the passage you quoted:

Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye ar ...[text shortened]... his. (Romans 8:7-9 KJV)

Did that passage say anything about good works done in the flesh?

" 8 Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God. "

If nothing they do can please God, than 'good works' is part of that!
Are you telling me you refuse to accept that, because that scripture did not
list 'good works', seriously? They CANNOT please God, it does not matter
what they do, they cannot please God!

Didn't you ever wonder why the Lord didn't correct those people as in they
didn't do the things they claimed below in Matthew? He didn't reject them
for lying, He rejected them, because He did not know them. If all anyone
does is for show, than God will sort out His True and False Disciples!

Matthew 7:21-23New International Version (NIV)

21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
What can anyone do in the flesh that would please God?
Kell

I asked a question. If that is how you are going to discuss then Im backing off.

Originally posted by KellyJay
" 8 Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God. "

If nothing they do can please God, than 'good works' is part of that!
Are you telling me you refuse to accept that, because that scripture did not
list 'good works', seriously? They CANNOT please God, it does not matter
what they do, they cannot please God!

Didn't you ever wonder why ...[text shortened]... es?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Kelly

You are making a mess of that Romans 8 passage and inserting assumptions where none are required.

Originally posted by Rajk999
I asked a question. If that is how you are going to discuss then Im backing off.

To tell you the truth, I don't care that you back off. I don't know why you
are refusing to see that, because it is very clear in my opinion. If the
scripture says it is impossible for them to please God, than all their efforts
no matter what they would be, will fail.
Kelly

Originally posted by Rajk999
You are making a mess of that Romans 8 passage and inserting assumptions where none are required.

Not true, please explain how someone who cannot please God is going to
by doing good works.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Not true, please explain how someone who cannot please God is going to
by doing good works.
Kelly

I started another thread on Romans 8.

Originally posted by Rajk999
I started another thread on Romans 8.

Saw that, thank you.
Kelly