04 Mar 14
Originally posted by galveston75Being paganistic. For what reason did Moses raise up the serpent on the staff?
"Worship God with spirit and TRUTH" John 4:24. Since when does God accept his being worshipped with something that is not true but has a serious paganistic origin?
You may think it's ok as well as others here to "white wash" or compromise ones worship with a "whatever" attitude, but we do not.
So from our viewpoint it isn't church vs church. It' ...[text shortened]... is every humans future life is at stake. If it didn't matter then why did Jesus do what he did?
For what reason did God allow Jesus to be set upon a cross, as a serpent on a staff?
Why, when Peter was to die at the hands of the Romans, did he choose to die upside down versus in the manner of Jesus?
Are you ready to die in like manner when your time comes?
04 Mar 14
Originally posted by galveston75A time is coming when you and all the J. W.'s along with all the Christians will realize you are in the mist of the time of the anti-Christ. You will go through the Great Day of the Lord, and you will go through the Great Miracle and possibly not even know it. Then he will come to power. What then, what then will you do. Everything will be blamed on anyone who believes in Jesus as the Son of God. You will not be able to buy, trade or sell. Like Nazi Germany was with the Jews.
"Worship God with spirit and TRUTH" John 4:24. Since when does God accept his being worshipped with something that is not true but has a serious paganistic origin?
You may think it's ok as well as others here to "white wash" or compromise ones worship with a "whatever" attitude, but we do not.
So from our viewpoint it isn't church vs church. It' ...[text shortened]... is every humans future life is at stake. If it didn't matter then why did Jesus do what he did?
Will you still argue over crap?
God allows His rain to fall on the good and the bad alike. All are His Children. He loves all of us.
04 Mar 14
Originally posted by PudgenikYou know, you might just be right! Thanks for the though provoking comment Pudgenik.
A time is coming when you and all the J. W.'s along with all the Christians will realize you are in the mist of the time of the anti-Christ. You will go through the Great Day of the Lord, and you will go through the Great Miracle and possibly not even know it. Then he will come to power. What then, what then will you do. Everything will be blamed on anyone ...[text shortened]... allows His rain to fall on the good and the bad alike. All are His Children. He loves all of us.
04 Mar 14
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Originally posted by PudgenikOh no, I'm not even going to go to work tomorrow. Ok you're in charge, what's next?
A time is coming when you and all the J. W.'s along with all the Christians will realize you are in the mist of the time of the anti-Christ. You will go through the Great Day of the Lord, and you will go through the Great Miracle and possibly not even know it. Then he will come to power. What then, what then will you do. Everything will be blamed on anyone ...[text shortened]... allows His rain to fall on the good and the bad alike. All are His Children. He loves all of us.
Sorry, but...
05 Mar 14
Originally posted by divegeesterWhen people try to interpret Revelations they tend to forget the little things. Like at the end of the Sixth Seal. 'run and hide for the Great Day of the Lord is here'. Yet five Seals have already been broken, and know one even knew.
Oh no, I'm not even going to go to work tomorrow. Ok you're in charge, what's next?
Sorry, but...
05 Mar 14
Originally posted by PudgenikPerhaps this question for a new thread, do you believe that 5 seals have been broken? If so, would you elaborate?
When people try to interpret Revelations they tend to forget the little things. Like at the end of the Sixth Seal. 'run and hide for the Great Day of the Lord is here'. Yet five Seals have already been broken, and know one even knew.
05 Mar 14
Originally posted by Rajk999Rajk999: thank you for your comments. Out in the ministry when going door to door that is the number one complaint I hear..."you folk have moved from the bible to the watchtower." I too had and still have this concern. Many of my fellows use these publications almost as tracts a quick and easy pass out if you will to try and gain common ground with the householder. They view this almost as a key to get in the door. I think too many of us have forgotten Jesus' words "knock and the door shall be open to you". Copy and pasting where it can be useful for some, some like yourself can get annoyed or put off by this. In an effort to bridge this gap, I hope to always answer in a personal way that is from my heart. I hope this answers your question. I look forward to more spirited discussions.
I smell another lame WatchTower cut and paste on the way.
Beau
05 Mar 14
Originally posted by sonshipSonship: this is a fantastic question and one I myself had a hard time answering at first. The way that I see this particular issue is this, I call my young son Master William. He is not my master but he is under 18 and thus it is proper to address him as such. George Byron a famous 19th century poet is better known as lord Byron...many nobles were called and many ladies of wealth were called my lady. In this particular incident Peter does in fact view Jesus as being above him...but they are also friends. It is my belief that lord in this case is not only a sign of mere respect and admiration but also a term of endearment. So in this regard nit everyone we call lord is God or king. I hope this answers your question. I look forward to hearing from you again in the very near future.
[quote] So when we pray TO Jesus, or we pray to the blessed trinity, we are taking true worship away from Jehovah our creator.
Instead we should pray THROUGH Jesus who made the ultimate purchase to restore our Promised Earthly Paradise. Adam sold all of humanity into slavery, but Jesus has set us free.
So we pray Through Jesus To Jehovah offering our t ...[text shortened]... the Lord Jesus and within I can detect no difference. I know I am having fellowship with God.
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05 Mar 14
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Originally posted by beauroberts
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Sonship: this is a fantastic question and one I myself had a hard time answering at first.
beauroberts, I looked back through my post and saw no question marks at all. I did not ask you any question.
My MAN is the God Jehovah.
And my God is the MAN Jesus Christ.
And I proved to you that both Stephen and the Apostle Paul prayed directly to the Lord Jesus Christ (2 Cor. 12:8; Acts 7:59,60).
The only question is "Will you therefore recognize that you have been fed a man-made false teaching that should be discarded for the truth ?"
The way that I see this particular issue is this, I call my young son Master William. He is not my master but he is under 18 and thus it is proper to address him as such.
There is ONE Lord, the Lord Jesus Christ -
"One Lord, one faith, one baptism ..." (Ephesians 4:5)
The "ONE LORD" Paul speaks of there is Christ - "Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the LORD Jesus Christ" (Ephesians 1:2)
The Triune God is the Lord. So the Father is the ONE Lord as well -
"The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our LORD and His Christ, and He will reign forever and ever." (Rev. 11:14)
No one said that is was not mysterious. It IS mysterious. But the Bible teaches of one Lord in one passage and the "the Lord and His Christ" in another passage.
This is the Trinity. And this is for our experience not primarily so man can have a perculiarly difficult doctrine.
George Byron a famous 19th century poet is better known as lord Byron...many nobles were called and many ladies of wealth were called my lady. In this particular incident Peter does in fact view Jesus as being above him...but they are also friends.
This has nothing to do with the revelation of the Bible.
You should not go searching through European politics of high society looking for excuses to reject what the Scriptures have revealed.
It is my belief that lord in this case is not only a sign of mere respect and admiration but also a term of endearment. So in this regard nit everyone we call lord is God or king. I hope this answers your question. I look forward to hearing from you again in the very near future.
Again, I HAD NO QUESTION.
The Ephesian letter also said that the Father is IN all the Christians -
"One God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all."
The Father is "IN ALL" the members of the mystical Body of Christ, the "one Body" . This is consistent with Jesus saying that both He and the Father as the divine "WE" would come to make an abode in the lover of Jesus.
"Jesus answered and said to him, If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word, and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make an abode with him. (John 14:23)
You will not enter into the kingdom of God just because you believe that there is a kingdom of God. Just believing in a kingdom will not make it possible for you to enter.
The Father and the Son as the Holy Spirit, as the Divine Eternal Person must make an abode within you. Your teaching dulls your love for Jesus. Your teaching is the work of Satan to cool down your regard for Jesus. It is no accident. The goal is to exclude you from being an abode within which God has come to dwell.
Your Jehovah's Witness teaching is designed ironically to keep you OUT of the kingdom of God rather than include you IN. Everything you learn cools down, waters down, discourages, turns the heart AWAY from loving the Lord Jesus.
You THINK by turning your hearts AWAY from Jesus you are somehow doing the Old Testament Jehovah a favor. This is tragic error and a deception.
Do not hunt the Bible to find multiple "lords" and multiple "gods."
Be saved by throwing your heart open to the Lord Jesus Christ as doubting Thomas did, and confess Him as your Lord and your God (John 20:28)
Nothing will make Jehovah happier.
07 Mar 14
Originally posted by divegeesterSorry to all. Having issues with my mom and her alzheimers. Getting bad fast.
Are there none of the JWs here willing or able to respond to my points?
You are all moving in your games LOL.
So to geeester dude please let me know exactly what points you want me to comment on? Thanks.
08 Mar 14
Originally posted by yoctobyteThere are a lot of little things that commonly get over looked. But i think that is true in nearly everything.
Perhaps this question for a new thread, do you believe that 5 seals have been broken? If so, would you elaborate?
Many believe the first seal to be the anti-Christ. i don't think so. What then is it. What is the first Seal representing, as a conqueror.
First off, the rider sits on a white horse. White represents peace in Israel.
The rider has a bow with arrows. These details are important. Also you will read, many bible versions state "as if to conquer", meaning it is never really conquered.
The answer to the first seal; It is the peace treaty between Egypt and Israel. The rider goes out to conquer as if to conquer. The peace treaty is in paper form, but has yet to be fully accomplished. And the bow and arrows. All the countries involved with the peace treaty are all represented with a bow and arrows. U. S. A., Egypt, Israel and surprisingly, the Vatican.