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Originally posted by @dj2becker*wouldn't
I would be either if I were you considering the 'arguments' I would have to try to defend.
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Originally posted by @avalanchethecatThe link you provided is perfectly sufficient.
No i'm not interested in another discussion with you. My point is made by virtue of the existence of those arguments.
http://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-home-page/rape-in-the-bible/
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Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukePick any of the arguments you believe to be the strongest.
The link you provided is perfectly sufficient.
http://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-home-page/rape-in-the-bible/
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Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeYep, and we all know that, but becker is obliged by his own argument to insist there is no ambivalence. That's why he's trying so hard to to get somebody to argue it with him, he needs to move the focus of the discussion so he can pretend he's not hoist by his own petard.
The link you provided is perfectly sufficient.
http://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-home-page/rape-in-the-bible/
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Originally posted by @avalanchethecatIndeed.
Yep, and we all know that, but becker is obliged by his own argument to insist there is no ambivalence. That's why he's trying so hard to to get somebody to argue it with him, he needs to move the focus of the discussion so he can pretend he's not hoist by his own petard.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerThe arguments are well attested, referenced in this thread and very well known. If your scripture was not ambivalent on the subject, they would not exist. Whether you think you can argue them away is entirely irrelevant.
If you thought any of the arguments had a leg to stand on you would have presented them by now.
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16 Nov 17
Originally posted by @avalanchethecatIs it your subjective opinion that the Bible is ambivalent on the topic of rape or is it an objective fact?
The arguments are well attested, referenced in this thread and very well known. If your scripture was not ambivalent on the subject, they would not exist. Whether you think you can argue them away is entirely irrelevant.
16 Nov 17
Originally posted by @sonhouseAh come on, in all the years you've been coming here, have you ever seen that happen?
Guess not.
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Originally posted by @avalanchethecatAnyone genuinely familiar with scripture would readily admit there is some difficult stuff in there about rape etc. No additional references or sources are required, it's all there in black and white for anyone who knows their bible.
The arguments are well attested, referenced in this thread and very well known. If your scripture was not ambivalent on the subject, they would not exist. Whether you think you can argue them away is entirely irrelevant.
So, for example, when we read Numbers 31:15-18, it really is pure stupidity to speak of subjectivity and the like:
"But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. 16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the Lord in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the Lord’s people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."
16 Nov 17
Originally posted by @dj2beckerFrom where do you derive your moral certainty regarding rape given that your scripture is ambivalent on the subject?
Is it your subjective opinion that the Bible is ambivalent on the topic of rape or is it an objective fact?
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Originally posted by @avalanchethecatIs it your subjective opinion that the Bible is ambivalent on the topic of rape or is it an objective fact?
From where do you derive your moral certainty regarding rape given that your scripture is ambivalent on the subject?
17 Nov 17
Originally posted by @dj2beckerWeak.
Is it your subjective opinion that the Bible is ambivalent on the topic of rape or is it an objective fact?