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@caesar-salad said
So, if you do have a more sublime perspective, would you mind leading me along?

This thread belongs on this forum. I don't see how your question about UK retail politics does?

@caesar-salad said
You're a little late to the game, FMF. I'm the one who reported the OP as belonging in Debates instead of SF.

However, as you might be aware, people of great spiritual development must inevitably have to deal with people who are lost in the weeds of materiality and whatever mental cultural templates.

So, if you do have a more sublime perspective, would you mind leading me along?

I suggest you stick to the topic set by this thread's OP.

@fmf said
I suggest you stick to the topic set by this thread's OP.

Haven't you given me conflicting instructions, just minutes apart?

@caesar-salad said
Haven't you given me conflicting instructions, just minutes apart?

Suzianne quoted Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde on page 1.

"Let me be clear: The president just used a Bible, the most sacred text of the Judeo-Christian tradition, and one of the churches of my diocese without permission as a backdrop for a message antithetical to the teachings of Jesus and everything that our churches stand for."

That's pretty much the crux of the matter.

Political questions about Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings belong on the Debates Forum, I think.

@fmf said
Suzianne quoted Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde on page 1.

"Let me be clear: The president just used a Bible, the most sacred text of the Judeo-Christian tradition, and one of the churches of my diocese without permission as a backdrop for a message antithetical to the teachings of Jesus and everything that our churches stand for."

That's pretty much the crux of the matter.

Political questions about Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings belong on the Debates Forum, I think.

Oh, so now it's about a post further down the page, instead of the OP, which would still have been about religion and political meme-wielding, instead of spirituality.

You ARE a slippery eel, but an inept one.

Perhaps someday the marshmallows and black olives will fall from your eyes.

@caesar-salad said
Oh, so now it's about a post further down the page, instead of the OP, which would still have been about religion and meme-wielding, instead of spirituality.

The OP asks: "What's wrong with our President Trump holding up a Bible in front of a church? The bishop didnt care for it." Suzianne then provided the relevant quote from the bishop. Discussion of the president's action and the bishop's reaction is a topic tailor-made for this forum.

@fmf said
The OP asks: "What's wrong with our President Trump holding up a Bible in front of a church? The bishop didnt care for it." Suzianne then provided the relevant quote from the bishop. Discussion of the president's action and the bishop's reaction is a topic tailor-made for this forum.

What do you think is wrong with it, or not, from a spiritual point-of-view?

Also, "tailor-made" is clearly a dog whistle for "the situation in Hong Kong." Your attempt at an evasive maneuver has been noted.

@caesar-salad said
What do you think is wrong with it, or not, from a spiritual point-of-view?

That's for Christians like the bishop to explain. Or, if there are those who don't think there was anything wrong, it's for those Christians to explain how the president's action resonated.

@fmf said
That's for Christians like the bishop to explain. Or, if there are those who don't think there was anything wrong, it's for those Christians to explain how the president's action resonated.

So, would you agree that this is a religious and political matter, and therefore not a spiritual matter?

@caesar-salad said
So, would you agree that this is a religious and political matter, and therefore not a spiritual matter?

I think the bishop's reaction ~ mentioned in the OP ~ is a profoundly spiritual statement. And I think that possibly millions and millions of Christian Trump supporters may well feel deeply spiritual about the symbolism he employed.

If you want to talk about it as a political [and non-spirital] matter, and if you want to find a way of working the UK's Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings into the discussion, then I suggest you start a thread on the Debates Forum.

@fmf said
I think the bishop's reaction ~ mentioned in the OP ~ is a profoundly spiritual statement. And I think that possibly millions and millions of Christian Trump supporters may well feel deeply spiritual about the symbolism he employed.

If you want to talk about it as a political [and non-spirital] matter, and if you want to find a way of working the UK's Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings into the discussion, then I suggest you start a thread on the Debates Forum.

Hmm. OK, fair enough. It can be difficult to agree on where to see the boundary between pure spirituality and the more material and mental scrabbling in the weeds.

@caesar-salad said
Hmm. OK, fair enough. It can be difficult to agree on where to see the boundary between pure spirituality and the more material and mental scrabbling in the weeds.

Scrabble away in the weeds, by all means. You should post as you see fit.

@fmf said
Scrabble away in the weeds, by all means. You should post as you see fit.

Where else could one string these particular tiles together? You should also post as you see fit, my fellow resident of Earth (not that we need each other's permission).

@caesar-salad said
Where else could one string these particular tiles together? You should also post as you see fit, my fellow resident of Earth (not that we need each other's permission).

I suggest you take your UK politics stuff to the Debates Forum. Meanwhile, if you have anything to offer on the spiritual dimensions of the OP question, it'd be interesting to hear what it is.

@divegeester said
Would have been as outraged as the Bishop had it been another Christian church?

Obviously, despite your insinuation.

Why do you bother asking me that? I mean, except as fuel for your attempt to diminish what I said.