Pretending

Originally posted by rwingett
The atheist does not claim to have knowledge of anything (pertaining to god). I agree, however, that religion is all speculation and subjective experience which cannot be verified. There is no good basis for accepting a god (or gods) as having a factual existence. Therefore claims for the existence of god must be doubted. Lacking any convincing proof, belief should be withheld and god should be treated as though he did not exist.

What would be a "good basis for accepting a god" according to you? If you had to sit down for 5 minutes, what would it be? Thereafter, would you still believe in God/a god? I personally don't think you'll change your mind or even sit down and think about it.

The reason you're born, live, breath, see, hear, feel, taste, experience, cry and the list can go on and on is what you are missing, thus with all respect you are blind by not seeing the real basis and value of life. God is everywhere rwingett - you just have to look for Him, in your heart and with faith. You can start by praying... well, thats a start if you want to, you have nothing to lose right?

Originally posted by Nicksten
What would be a "good basis for accepting a god" according to you? If you had to sit down for 5 minutes, what would it be? Thereafter, would you still believe in God/a god? I personally don't think you'll change your mind or even sit down and think about it.

The reason you're born, live, breath, see, hear, feel, taste, experience, cry and the list can go ...[text shortened]... can start by praying... well, thats a start if you want to, you have nothing to lose right?

I refuse to take anything on "faith." I want proof. If your god is unwilling to unequivocally prove himself (an easy task for an allegedly omnipotent god) then I have no choice but to doubt his existence. You can attribute 'x' number of things to god that can just as easily be attributed to other sources.

Originally posted by avalanchethecat
No. The statement I made is true. I'll write it again with an emphasis so you'll see the sense of it:

"And I [b]suspect that anybody who tells you they 'know' the truth, whatever that truth is, is lying, mistaken or deluded."

I can assure you that I do know what I suspect. Obviously I don't know if my suspicion is true, but then, I never claimed otherwise.[/b]

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I can assure you that I do know what I suspect. Obviously I don't know if my suspicion is true, but then, I never claimed otherwise.
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How can you "assure" anyone? You may be lying, mistaken, or deluded. Remember?

Originally posted by rwingett
The atheist says "there doesn't appear to be a god", or "I doubt that there is a god."

There are many ethical, moral and philosophical positions that can be offered up by an atheist. But none of them is logically contained within his definition as an atheist. If I propose humanism (for example) as an alternative to Christianity, I do so as a humanist, not as an atheist.

Can't one be both a humanist and a Christian?

Originally posted by rwingett
The atheist does not claim to have knowledge of anything (pertaining to god). I agree, however, that religion is all speculation and subjective experience which cannot be verified. There is no good basis for accepting a god (or gods) as having a factual existence. Therefore claims for the existence of god must be doubted. Lacking any convincing proof, belief should be withheld and god should be treated as though he did not exist.

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Lacking any convincing proof, belief should be withheld and god should be treated as though he did not exist.
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When human beings decided to divide up the history of the planet as BC (Before Christ) and AD (In the year of our Lord) they were saying what ?

They were saying that after the life of this man Jesus Christ the world will never be the same.

Some of us believe that the world could never be the same because Jesus is the Son of God as He said and acted.

Originally posted by PinkFloyd
Can't one be both a humanist and a Christian?

I suppose.

Originally posted by buckky
Are we all just pretending to have some vague knowledge about an area of life none us know anything about ? The Christian poser, and the atheist poser both claiming to have the scoop. When it comes to religion it's all a game of speculation. Only subjective experience that can't be verified is what keeps people like myself hanging around the subject. We can a ...[text shortened]... if help is to be had. If help is not to be had then we move in another direction. Who knows.

I think it is easier to deny anyone can have knowledge than it is to admit that
we have some, least we acknowledge truth, so we are then accountable for it.
The lazy way is to just be against any knowledge than admit somethings are
true.
Kelly

Originally posted by jaywill
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Lacking any convincing proof, belief should be withheld and god should be treated as though he did not exist.
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When human beings decided to divide up the history of the planet as BC (Before Christ) and AD (In the year of our Lord) they were saying what ...[text shortened]... eve that the world could never be the same because Jesus is the Son of God as He said and acted.[/b]

Good for you. Believe whatever you want. But don't expect me to believe it.

Originally posted by rwingett
Good for you. Believe whatever you want. But don't expect me to believe it.

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Good for you. Believe whatever you want. But don't expect me to believe it.
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Don't believe whatever you want. But don't expect me not to believe it.
Especially the convincing evidence that Christ is the Son of God.

Originally posted by jaywill
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Good for you. Believe whatever you want. But don't expect me to believe it.
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Don't believe whatever you want. But don't expect me not to believe it.
Especially the convincing evidence that Christ is the Son of God.[/b]

If you had convincing evidence then there would be no non-Christians. There are non-Christians precisely because your evidence is not convincing.

Originally posted by rwingett
I refuse to take anything on "faith." I want proof. If your god is unwilling to unequivocally prove himself (an easy task for an allegedly omnipotent god) then I have no choice but to doubt his existence. You can attribute 'x' number of things to god that can just as easily be attributed to other sources.

For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power
and devine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what
has been made, so they are without excuse. (Romans 1:20)

Originally posted by RJHinds
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power
and devine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what
has been made, so they are without excuse. (Romans 1:20)

So it is convincing evidence because the Bible says so?

Originally posted by twhitehead
So it is convincing evidence because the Bible says so?

You missed the point. Although, what the Holy Bible says is true, the
proof is what you can see and understand, if you are not an idiot. So
the excuse you give is really no excuse at all, for you are not an idiot.
However, you may be one of those fools that profess themselves to be
wise.

Originally posted by jaywill
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I can assure you that I do know what I suspect. Obviously I don't know if my suspicion is true, but then, I never claimed otherwise.
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How can you "assure" anyone? You may be lying, mistaken, or deluded. Remember?[/b]

What an asinine comment. Of course I can assure you of the nature of my suspicion. Naturally you are entirely free to believe that I am lying, and it may of course be that my suspicion is erroneous or delusional, but it remains my suspicion nonetheless.

Originally posted by rwingett
I'm an atheist. I never say "there is no god."

I don't play with anything longer than a three day timeout. Change your settings if you want a game.

Why do you never say "there is no God"?

But I don't want to be timed out. I want to play the game out regardless of how long it takes me to get back to the game. I hate timers. Part of the joy of playing is analyzing the board. Sometimes I spend a total of two hours finding just the right move.

I did try challenging you again with the 3 day time out, but it still said you had a self imposed limit of 0 games. I had changed my setting to accept more games.

I won't play unless you promise not to time me out.