Psalm 82

Originally posted by FMF
In which post did I make the claim? Find it and copy paste it in reply to this post.

humans have developed as moral beings because that is how those communities become strong and survive - FMF

your claim for which we are still waiting for evidence.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
humans have developed as moral beings because that is how those communities become strong and survive -

your claim for which we are still waiting for evidence.

In which post did I use the expression "become fitter or stronger"?

Originally posted by FMF
In which post did I use the expression "become fitter or stronger"?

Look your claim is that humans evolve morally to become fit and strong, where is your evidence for this, you have provided none and i am uninterested in your pedantry, you made the claim, where is your evidence.

Originally posted by FMF
In which post did I use the expression "become fitter or stronger"?

I am, uninterested in your pedantry, i have provided the source which states,

humans have developed as moral beings because that is how those communities become strong and survive - your claim

where is your evidence for this claim.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Look your claim is that humans evolve morally to become fit and strong, where is your evidence for this, you have provided none and i am uninterested in your pedantry, you made the claim, where is your evidence.

Like I said, humans working collectively are "fitter and stronger", as you put it (not me), than humans working only as individuals (they probably would have become extinct if they had eschewed their innate moral sense and social nature). And like I said, if you dispute this, just say so.

Originally posted by FMF
Like I said, humans working collectively are "fitter and stronger", as you put it (not me), than humans working only as individuals (they probably would have become extinct if they had eschewed their innate moral sense and social nature). And like I said, if you dispute this, just say so.

That is not evidence. Where is your evidence of a morality that has evolved to help those who adopted it become strong and survive as you have claimed. I am not interested in conjecture, what you believe, what you fabricate, I am interested in evidence, empirical evidence where this has taken place. Please cite a concrete example in response to this post.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
That is not evidence. Where is your evidence of a morality that has evolved to help those who adopted it become strong and survive as you have claimed. I am not interested in conjecture, what you believe, what you fabricate, I am interested in evidence, empirical evidence where this has taken place. Please cite it in response to this post.

If you don't accept it, I'm fine with that. I think what I have said about the source of the human sense of morality and its role in binding communities together is not even the slightest bit controversial. If you dispute it - and want to say why - then that's OK. If you just want to say you don't accept it, that's also OK.

Originally posted by FMF
If you don't accept it, I'm fine with that. I think what I have said about the source of the human sense of morality and its role in binding communities together is not even the slightest bit controversial. If you dispute it - and want to say why - then that's OK. If you just want to say you don't accept it, that's also OK.

your concrete example, where is it?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
your concrete example, where is it?

I don't have any at hand and I'm not going to go Googling for stuff. I've been reading books about anthropology, psychology, philosophy and history since my teens and I'm in my 50s now. If you don't accept the surely uncontroversial hypothesis I have contributed to our discussion, I'm fine with that. I'm not going to put myself out for you at all other than indulge you a bit by typing these few messages that I have. If you dispute what I have said, then that is fine.

Originally posted by FMF
I don't have any at hand and I'm not going to go Googling for stuff. I've been reading books about anthropology, psychology, philosophy and history since my teens and I'm in my 50s now. If you don't accept the surely uncontroversial hypothesis I have contributed to our discussion, I'm fine with that. I'm not going to put myself out for you at all other than indu ...[text shortened]... it by typing these few messages that I have. If you dispute what I have said, then that is fine.

When you do manage to find a concrete example with which to substantiate your claim dear old bean you will be sure to let robbie know, wont you.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
when you do dear old bean you will be sure to let robbie know, wont you.

If you want to state which bit of what I said that you actually dispute then feel free to do so without me needing you to provide any links to anything or the titles of any books. I'm easy.

Originally posted by FMF
If you want to state which bit of what I said that you actually dispute then feel free to do so without me needing you to provide any links to anything or the titles of any books. I'm easy.

You made the claim the onus is on you to substantiate that claim. So far you have failed to provide a concrete example of a morality that has evolved to help the adherents become strong and survive. You say it happens but provide no evidence. I am not saying that its true or untrue, simply that you have failed to substantiate it.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
You made the claim the onus is on you to substantiate that claim. So far you have failed to provide a concrete example of a morality that has evolved to help the adherents become strong and survive. You say it happens but provide no evidence. I am not saying that its true or untrue, simply that you have failed to substantiate it.

If you think what I said is not true, then that is fine by me. I really don't mind.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
You say it happens but provide no evidence. I am not saying that its true or untrue, simply that you have failed to substantiate it.

If you want to say that you are not saying that its true or untrue, or if you don't want to say whether you dispute it or not, or, if you do dispute it, you don't want to say what it is exactly that you dispute, then that's OK as far as I am concerned. I'm not worried about it. I have expressed my view and you haven't expressed yours ~ other than to say that what I have said is what you call "pants". That's fine. It's all OK, robbie.

Originally posted by FMF
If you want to say that you are not saying that its true or untrue, or if you don't want to say whether you dispute it or not, or, if you do dispute it, you don't want to say what it is exactly that you dispute, then that's OK as far as I am concerned. I'm not worried about it. I have expressed my view and you haven't expressed yours ~ other than to say that what I have said is what you call "pants". That's fine. It's all OK, robbie.

You have still failed to substantiate your claim. Do you normally make claims that you cannot substantiate?