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06 May 19
@kellyjay saidIt is not my 'personal taste' kelly to view the suffering of an innocent as a bad thing.
Well show me the contradictions outside of your personal taste. Scriptures are clear why all of this is going on. Where are you getting your scales to justify how you are accusing God? Outside of its not how you would run the universe!
The contradiction is a deity who purports to being all powerful and all loving (valuing the life of the innocent) and yet does nothing to prevent the suffering of such innocence. Do you not see the contradiction?!
06 May 19
@ghost-of-a-duke saidWell I can agree with you, but in many places it is very cheap. So given the only reason you say it is of value is your opinion and in many other eyes it is not. Does that mean you are not the sole scale of truth! Than doesn’t that limit human value to nothing more than the same value as your favorite color?
Sorry to hear you equate life with grass. I have already stated life is precious, despite being transitory.
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06 May 19
@kellyjay saidGrowing up we always had a freezer full of ice cream. (Mostly vanilla and chocolate chip). I would eat it by the bowl full, though did so in an unappreciative way, as there was always more to be had if I wanted it. - Ice cream, these days, rarely puts in an appearance in our freezer. (My wife is controlling my sugar intake). So when I do manage to have a bowl, every spoonful is precious and thoroughly appreciated.
Well I can agree with you, but in many places it is very cheap. So given the only reason you say it is of value is your opinion and in many other eyes it is not. Does that mean you are not the sole scale of truth! Than doesn’t that limit human value to nothing more than the same value as your favorite color?
Life is like that.
06 May 19
@ghost-of-a-duke saidI am in agreement with you on both life and ice cream, except I like ice cream with nuts in it like butter pecan! The issue is not that we don’t agree (unless you dislike butter pecan) then we are going to have words.
Growing up we always had a freezer full of ice cream. (Mostly vanilla and chocolate chip). I would eat it by the bowl full, though did so in an unappreciative way, as there was always more to be had if I wanted it. - Ice cream, these days, rarely puts in an appearance in our freezer. (My wife is controlling my sugar intake). So when I do manage to have a bowl, every spoonful is precious and thoroughly appreciated.
Life is like that.
The issue is because not everyone agrees, how can you use our conflicting opinions and beliefs as a data point for if God is real? You are in essence saying some of us think like this, therefore God cannot be real.
06 May 19
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C.S. Lewis Religion and Science (Doddle art)
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With nothing to say about domestic cats, aardvarks, or rhubarb pie which is a shame because I'm quite fond of rhubarb pies, I like cats, but my dogs hate them, and I just like the way 'aardvark' is spelled.
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07 May 19
@kellyjay saidKellyJay, I will probably never give you much of a hard time because you actually seem to be following The Way. Not trying to control or influence you in any way with those words -- just saying. 🙂
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C.S. Lewis Religion and Science (Doddle art)
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With nothing to say about domestic cats, aardvarks, or rhubarb pie which is a shame because I'm quite fond of rhubarb pies, I like cats, but my dogs hate them, and I just like the way 'aardvark' is spelled.
I wonder if the absence of cats (other than lions) in the bible has to do with some distancing of the Jews from the Egyptians, but it's also nice that there is silence regarding cats in contrast to some other things mentioned that distanced and distinguished the Jews from other cultures in the region.
@caesar-salad saidI'm fine with you sharing as you want, because I am. I also admit I am trying to influence, but not control people. I don't mind a hard time either as long as it is in jest not the mean spirited type. There are a few here I feel comfortable enough to give a hard time too.
KellyJay, I will probably never give you much of a hard time because you actually seem to be following The Way. Not trying to control or influence you in any way with those words -- just saying. 🙂
I wonder if the absence of cats (other than lions) in the bible has to do with some distancing of the Jews from the Egyptians, but it's also nice that there is silence reg ...[text shortened]... other things mentioned that distanced and distinguished the Jews from other cultures in the region.
07 May 19
@kellyjay saidI am Ok with you having used 'people damaging my family in my home facing no consequences' as some kind of an analogy for justifying eternal torture ~ as long as you undertake not to drag my family and my home into our conversations anymore. In return, as you know, I will never drag your family and your home and the idea of them being damaged into our debates. I never have. I think you were just trying to give me a hard time, but it's Ok.
I'm fine with you sharing as you want, because I am. I also admit I am trying to influence, but not control people. I don't mind a hard time either as long as it is in jest not the mean spirited type. There are a few here I feel comfortable enough to give a hard time too.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidI am saying that losing a small child to a terminal disease is a hopeless case within a context of atheism. If you disagree feel free to demonstrate otherwise.
Life isn't hopeless, even without your inactive God.
And there was no 'fall of man.' Get with the program already.
The fall of man is widely accepted within the Biblical context. If you can demonstrate from the Bible that there was no ‘fall of man’ be my guest. Since you have introduced the Christian God to the discussion you might as well accommodate the Bible in this discussion, else you’re no longer discussing the Christian God.
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07 May 19
@ghost-of-a-duke saidAssuming the child is an innocent they get to spend an eternity of bliss in Heaven after death so that more than makes up for a little bit of suffering. Within the context of atheism what hope is there for this child and it’s grieving family members?
Have we ever discussed my views on abortion?!
I am asking here why 'God' allows an innocent to suffer when He apparently has the power and heart to prevent it? (An innocent who hasn't been brought to their suffering by choice).
07 May 19
@dj2becker saidWhere does Jesus guy talk about that, specifically ?
Assuming the child is an innocent they get to spend an eternity of bliss in Heaven after death so that more than makes up for a little bit of suffering.
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@dj2becker saidA little bit of suffering?
Assuming the child is an innocent they get to spend an eternity of bliss in Heaven after death so that more than makes up for a little bit of suffering. Within the context of atheism what hope is there for this child and it’s grieving family members?
You are genuinely a messed up individual.
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6. My encounters with some Christians who claim to have been transformed internally by their God (in a good way) and yet still do and say appalling things. Take this recent post by Eladar for example:
'I recognize that I may be heading to hell and I do not care if you or any other person burns in hell. That is between you and God, not me.'
Note the contrast between 'I do not care if you burn in hell' and the words of Jesus, 'Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.'