Reasons for disbelief in the Christian God

@kellyjay said
You are moving the goal posts here! Even your new example is flawed since all of us are aware of our past, and each new moment puts us somewhere else in time.

So far I think you have not shown anything to suggest God isn’t real in the most absolute of reality. Outside of your personal preferences what have you to offer?

This thread has tendered 6 very good reasons that (as yet) no theist has reasonably refuted.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
This thread has tendered 6 very good reasons that (as yet) no theist has reasonably refuted.

I didn’t see anything that disproves God, and some of your examples are nothing more than if you were God you would not do it that way. The scriptures being lies and fantasies is a matter of opinion not facts!

You have specific examples?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
You appear stuck in a perpetual spiral of absurdity.

Your inhumanity to the question put to you is noted.

So tell me ghost what hope does atheism offer to a child suffering from a terminal illness? Zip. Nada. Not a sausage.

@kellyjay said
I didn’t see anything that disproves God, and some of your examples are nothing more than if you were God you would not do it that way. The scriptures being lies and fantasies is a matter of opinion not facts!

You have specific examples?

You often misconstrue these debates as 'if you were God you would not do it that way.'

It has nothing to do with what 'I' would do. I am evaluating God by 'His own standards' and in accordance with the 'qualities' He purports to have, such as omnipotence and omnibenevolence.

@dj2becker said
So tell me ghost what hope does atheism offer to a child suffering from a terminal illness? Zip. Nada. Not a sausage.

Practical help and care.

But what do you care? It's only a 'little bit of suffering.' God has the power and heart to prevent it, but hey, it's only a little bit of suffering. Why bother?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Practical help and care.

But what do you care? It's only a 'little bit of suffering.' God has the power and heart to prevent it, but hey, it's only a little bit of suffering. Why bother?

Gold is purified in the fire mate. Sometimes hardships and suffering makes us better people. We obviously don’t have all the answers. I believe you can find meaning in suffering if you believe God is in control. If atheism is true there is no meaning to it at all and no hope. And the fact that you cannot think of a good enough reason why a loving God could allow suffering isn’t conclusive proof that God doesn’t exist.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
You often misconstrue these debates as 'if you were God you would not do it that way.'

It has nothing to do with what 'I' would do. I am evaluating God by 'His own standards' and in accordance with the 'qualities' He purports to have, such as omnipotence and omnibenevolence.

You have no clue what God’s standards are, you cannot even see that the God in scripture is One God. If you don’t have that insight how do you know anything else? It’s all your ideas your not presenting God’s point of view.

@dj2becker said
Gold is purified in the fire mate. Sometimes hardships and suffering makes us better people. We obviously don’t have all the answers. I believe you can find meaning in suffering if you believe God is in control. If atheism is true there is no meaning to it at all and no hope. And the fact that you cannot think of a good enough reason why a loving God could allow suffering isn’t conclusive proof that God doesn’t exist.

And how does that apply to a child exactly dying of a terminal disease? How does that make them a better person? What meaning does it uncover?

Forget not having all the answers. You have 'no' answers.

@kellyjay said
You have no clue what God’s standards are, you cannot even see that the God in scripture is One God. If you don’t have that insight how do you know anything else? It’s all your ideas your not presenting God’s point of view.

Psst kelly. They're in the Bible.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Psst kelly. They're in the Bible.

I know which is why I am telling, you are blowing smoke! You are not representing what the scriptures say! You are only giving YOUR views and suggesting that they are God’s.

@kellyjay said
I know which is why I am telling, you are blowing smoke! You are not representing what the scriptures say! You are only giving YOUR views and suggesting that they are God’s.

Okay, so which of the following am I incorrect about and are not represented in scripture:

1. God is all-powerful.
2. God is perfectly loving.
3. God views children as innocents.
4. God places a value on human lives.

Which of the above are me blowing smoke? And if all are in fact correct, then how about dealing with my genuine questions head on?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Okay, so which of the following am I incorrect about and are not represented in scripture:

1. God is all-powerful.
2. God is perfectly loving. [He is love, not that He loves}
3. God views children as innocents.
4. God places a value on human lives.

Which of the above are me blowing smoke? And if all are in fact correct, then how about dealing with my genuine questions head on?

1. God is all-powerful. [Yes}
2. God is perfectly loving. [He is love, not just that He loves]
3. God views children as innocents. [I believe so]
4. God places a value on human lives. [Yes, to the point of honoring choices]
5. Just
6. Good
7. Holy
8. All knowing
9. Eternal
10. Merciful
11. Long Suffering
12. Creator
13. Sustainer of all things by the power of His Word
14. All seeing
~ He is so much more.

Your genuine questions are not taking in everything in scripture, you are not taking in everything about man, you are not taking everything in about God.

You are cherry picking traits, defining them as you see fit, declaring the way you want to view them as something that shows truth! The only thing you have done is simply show the god between your ears, who is less than the real one, isn't capable of running the universe as you see fit.

@kellyjay said
You are cherry picking traits, defining them as you see fit, declaring the way you want to view them as something that shows truth!

And what are you doing?

@kellyjay said
The only thing you have done is simply show the god between your ears, who is less than the real one, isn't capable of running the universe as you see fit.

The only thing you do here is talk about "the god between your ears", and simply referring to it as "the real one" is not addressing Ghost of a Duke's points.

@kellyjay said
1. God is all-powerful. [Yes}
2. God is perfectly loving. [He is love, not just that He loves]
3. God views children as innocents. [I believe so]
4. God places a value on human lives. [Yes, to the point of honoring choices]
5. Just
6. Good
7. Holy
8. All knowing
9. Eternal
10. Merciful
11. Long Suffering
12. Creator
13. Sustainer of all things by the power of His Word
14. All seeing

Adding 5 to 14 surely just strengthens Ghost of a Duke's point rather than dealing with it.