Spirituality
21 Jul 07
22 Jul 07
Originally posted by StregoneWell lets see, the Bible says that God is love or the source of all love. Does love exist? No. At least not in the material world. There is a spiritual element to our existence that is undeniable although not tangible or measurable. We can deny the source of such evidences but we cannot deny that those evidences do not, in fact, exist.
I defintely agree with you: I don't need any evident either that god exits...but there isn't any!
Bertrand Russell was asked what he would say if he died and found himself confronted by God, who demanded to know why he had not believed in Him. 'Not enough evidence, God, not enough evidence' was Russell's reply.
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22 Jul 07
Originally posted by epiphinehasRight! Who cares what someone claims that jesus said? And that fiction about never being hungry or thirsty again is just rubbish!
"“Show us a miraculous sign if you want us to believe in you. What can you do?" Jesus replied, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never be hungry again. Whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. But you haven’t believed in me even though you have seen me"" (John 6:30, 35).
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It was disingenuous of Russe ...[text shortened]... roof, that they will get all the proof they need when, and if, they first 'come to him'.
22 Jul 07
Originally posted by whodeyEternity is long time if you are wrong my friends. This life on earth is just the blink of an eye. I would rather live a life believing in God and do the best I can to live a good christian life. If I am wrong I lived a good life so nothing lost. If I am right, I have an eternal life with the creator of the universe.
Do you even have any incling what Jesus was talking about here? Do you even care?
If you are wrong it could mean eternal damnation. A terrible price to pay for foolish pride.
22 Jul 07
Originally posted by whodeyFrankly, the Bible, is not a (reliable) source!
Well lets see, the Bible says that God is love or the source of all love. Does love exist? No. At least not in the material world. There is a spiritual element to our existence that is undeniable although not tangible or measurable. We can deny the source of such evidences but we cannot deny that those evidences do not, in fact, exist.
22 Jul 07
Originally posted by scottishinnzApologies. I was using a British method of humour known as satire.
What whacked out crap are you on??
Sure, Dawkins' has been in a church - who hasn't? Most the time, form what I can see, he's trying to point out what's wrong with it, or a historical point, that the church "chooses" to forget. What's hypocritical about that?
Likewise, evolutionary biologists often point to, say Lamarkism, to show why it's wro ...[text shortened]... t out, and some back - next time bring your friend, logic. (not that many seem to).
22 Jul 07
Originally posted by Ruppster1If you are wrong, Zeus won't be happy.
Eternity is long time if you are wrong my friends. This life on earth is just the blink of an eye. I would rather live a life believing in God and do the best I can to live a good christian life. If I am wrong I lived a good life so nothing lost. If I am right, I have an eternal life with the creator of the universe.
If you are wrong it could mean eternal damnation. A terrible price to pay for foolish pride.
22 Jul 07
Originally posted by doodinthemoodDoesn't translate to a digital medium though. I'd recommend against it, at least until you've post here a few hundred more times and people actually know your beliefs, that we can actually detect sarcasm. Otherwise, people aren't going to get the "joke".
Apologies. I was using a British method of humour known as satire.
22 Jul 07
Originally posted by Ruppster1Pascal's wager is a stupid one.
Eternity is long time if you are wrong my friends. This life on earth is just the blink of an eye. I would rather live a life believing in God and do the best I can to live a good christian life. If I am wrong I lived a good life so nothing lost. If I am right, I have an eternal life with the creator of the universe.
If you are wrong it could mean eternal damnation. A terrible price to pay for foolish pride.
Think about all the fun things you'll miss out on, and all the people you'll repress (homosexuals, women, black people) if you do live a good life as defined by the bible.
22 Jul 07
Originally posted by scottishinnzI was assuming that the points put forward would be so rediculous as to display the stupidity of any similar ideas. Unfortunately, I forgot the point that religious argument is indestinguishable from religious mockery.
Doesn't translate to a digital medium though. I'd recommend against it, at least until you've post here a few hundred more times and people actually know your beliefs, that we can actually detect sarcasm. Otherwise, people aren't going to get the "joke".
22 Jul 07
Originally posted by doodinthemoodStick around here for long enough, and you'll realise that people believe some pretty whacked out stuff. I mean, how do you properly even start to mock someone who believes that the world is 6,000 years old and was made in 6 days by a man with a big fluffy beard - and there are plenty of those here.
I was assuming that the points put forward would be so rediculous as to display the stupidity of any similar ideas. Unfortunately, I forgot the point that religious argument is indestinguishable from religious mockery.
22 Jul 07
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Originally posted by scottishinnzAnd think about the possibility that it's really Zeus that's in charge, and that you'll be punished eternally in the afterlife for not offering up proper homage to Olympus. Might as well worship them as well, just to be safe, don't you think? Eternity is a long time if you are wrong...
Pascal's wager is a stupid one.
Think about all the fun things you'll miss out on, and all the people you'll repress (homosexuals, women, black people) if you do live a good life as defined by the bible.