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Originally posted by galveston75
It's not to trip him up but to expose his reasoning on this matter. He has constantly refused and ignored very simple questions I have asked him over the months about who or to be exact what the holy spirit is.

The simplist of questions he has ignored and that only points to his lack of knowledge as to what his force is that God has and uses. He jus ...[text shortened]... ished. So now why is God which you say Jesus and the Holy Spirit are, back here on earth again?

Over those months that I have discussed the matter of the triune God, I have
told you that the Holy Spirit is God in the same manner tha Father and the Son
is God. All three persons are truly equal in nature, however in our attempt to
explain Him, the Holy Spirit is designated as the 3rd person in the triune God.
The Father is called the first person and the Son is called the second person.
Since God is an invisible spirit, He is only known by His characteristics not by
eyesight. It is the Son of God, who came in the flesh, that has made God known
through the characteristics he demonstrated while on the Earth in physical
form. The Holy Spirit has the same characteristics as the Father and the Son,
but since He has not limited Himself by the confines of a human body, He can
be anywhere in the world at the same time. So to ask which country He is in
is a stupid question. HalleluYah !!! 😏

Originally posted by moon1969
I know this is off-thread, but what exactly is the trinity vs non-trinity thoughts. I have a sense of the discussion (or disagreement) but only superficially.

Start (yet another) thread on this if are really interested - I'm sure you're not really.

The Trins basically believe in three people in one God. They don't like the use of "people"and prefer "persons" as "people" is too closely related (semantically) to pantheism and paganism for comfort. God states many times in the OT that he is one. However trinitarians insist he is three -- in one. Mathematically this means thirds; scripturally it means nothing.

The Jehovos believe all manner of strange stuff, but it doesn't really come into the equation because what they believe actually means they are not Christians. They are "Jehovah's Witnesses" who believe that Jesus was actually an angel and indeed the spirit "Abaddon". They like to associate with the term "Christian" as it gives them the mainstream feel that their doctrines deny them.

God is one.

Originally posted by divegeester
Start (yet another) thread on this if are really interested - I'm sure you're not really.

The Trins basically believe in three people in one God. They don't like the use of "people"and prefer "persons" as "people" is too closely related (semantically) to pantheism and paganism for comfort. God states many times in the OT that he is one. However tri ...[text shortened]... t gives them the mainstream feel that their doctrines deny them.

God is one.

So we are born into sin, Jesus was from a virgin birth, he died for our sins and came back three days later to ascend into heaven, and you think JW's are weird?

Originally posted by sonhouse
So we are born into sin, Jesus was from a virgin birth, he died for our sins and came back three days later to ascend into heaven, and you think JW's are weird?

No I think they are wrong; I think you are weird.

Originally posted by divegeester
Start (yet another) thread on this if are really interested - I'm sure you're not really.

The Trins basically believe in three people in one God. They don't like the use of "people"and prefer "persons" as "people" is too closely related (semantically) to pantheism and paganism for comfort. God states many times in the OT that he is one. However tri ...[text shortened]... t gives them the mainstream feel that their doctrines deny them.

God is one.

The Father and the Holy Spirit are not people for they have no human body
like the Sod of God. The only way the Father and the Holy Spirt can be
described in our language is that of spirit persons in the one nature that is God.

Originally posted by RJHinds
he only way the Father and the Holy Spirt can be described in our language is that of spirit persons in the one nature that is God.

Rubbish.

If you ever stop your blithering long enough to cast a cursory glance over the descriptions of God in the OT, count up how many times he is described as being ONE and then get back to me.

Originally posted by divegeester
Rubbish.

If you ever stop your blithering long enough to cast a cursory glance over the descriptions of God in the OT, count up how many times he is described as being [b]ONE and then get back to me.[/b]

I made no statement to deny God is not ONE. And neither did Christ when He proclaimed
I and my Father are ONE. Peter is not saying God is not One when he equates lying to
the Holy Spirit as the same as Lying to God.

But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit
and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? While it remained, was it
not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you
conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.”

(Acts 5:3-4 NKJV)

I understand clearly that the Old Testament speaks of God as One, but we must also
reconcile His Oneness with they fact that He also speaks of Himself in a plural way
in the first chapter of Genesis.

Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them
have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the
cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and
female He created them.

(Genesis 1:26-27 NKJV)

Then there is the following clue from Isaiah where God is referred to as Holy, Holy, Holy:

In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, high and lifted
up, and the train of His robe filled the temple. 2 Above it stood seraphim; each one had six wings: with two he covered his face, with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew. 3 And one cried to another and said:


“Holy, holy, holy is the Lord of hosts;
The whole earth is full of His glory!”

(Isaiah 6:1-2 NKJV)

The prophet Isaiah writes many things referring to the Messiah to come that seem to be
fulfilled by the one we call the Christ. Even Christ himself claims a passage that He reads aloud in the synagogue from the book of Isaiah is being fulfilled.
(Luke 4:16-21)

Then if Christ is the child in the following prophecy he is to be called Mighty God.

...In Galilee of the Gentiles.
The people who walked in darkness
Have seen a great light;
Those who dwelt in the land of the shadow of death,
Upon them a light has shined...

For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Of the increase of His government and peace
There will be no end,
Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom,
To order it and establish it with judgment and justice
From that time forward, even forever.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

(Isaiah 9:1-2, 6-7 NKJV)

When you also compare the many statement made in the New Testament it could very well
indicate God is a complex ONE.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I made no statement to deny God is not ONE. And neither did Christ when He proclaimed
I and my Father are ONE. Peter is not saying God is not One when he equates lying to
the Holy Spirit as the same as Lying to God.

But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit
and keep back part of the price of the land for yours ...[text shortened]... the many statement made in the New Testament it could very well
indicate God is a complex ONE.

What part of this copy/paste dump actually answers my question to you in my previous post?

Originally posted by divegeester
What part of this copy/paste dump actually answers my question to you in my previous post?

I'll let you figure it out for I must go to sleep. 😴

Originally posted by RJHinds
I made no statement to deny God is not ONE.

I'm sorry, you are not a trinitarian then...?

Originally posted by RJHinds
I'll let you figure it out for I must go to sleep. 😴

Another of your frequent cop outs when you are challenged.

Throw a red-herring or go to bed, go immediately to bed, do not pass comment, do not collect any credibility points

you can throw a double bluff or pick up a get out of bed FREE card.