Salvation???

Originally posted by Conrau K
It depends. Habitual sins can still be mortal and deprive a person of salvation. The Council of Trent distinguished between mortal and venial sins. Venial sins are of minimal gravity (such as white lies, light-hearted gossip and so on) which do not preclude a person from salvation; mortal sins are of a more serious nature (like murder, theft and sexual immorality) and require repentence and, if possible, sacramental absolution.

So your saved if you don't commit one of the more serious sins? So in reality your never really saved as in "no matter what you may do" you can never loose that salvation?

Originally posted by galveston75
So your saved if you don't commit one of the more serious sins? So in reality your never really saved as in "no matter what you may do" you can never loose that salvation?

Not quite. Salvation always requires faith and grace. It is just that these are forfeited when a person commits a sin and refuses to repent.

Originally posted by Conrau K
Not quite. Salvation always requires faith and grace. It is just that these are forfeited when a person commits a sin and refuses to repent.

Many believe that once your saved then your saved forever. Not a bible teaching at all....

Originally posted by galveston75
Many believe that once your saved then your saved forever. Not a bible teaching at all....

One of the strongest aspects of the fallen man is that he refuses to believe that he could be an unconditional benefitiary of God's salvation through faith.

The fallen man constantly thinks he has to do something good before he can saved. Whether it is keeping the law, the performing of good works, or the need for repentence, the fallen man always thinks he has to do something.

The fallen rebels against the revelation that through God's grace he can be an unconditional recipient of God's salvation.

This is like a man oweing a dept of 1,000,000 dollars. He knows it is impossible for him to come up with the money. But he still keeps a bottle around to save coins. So he saves up twelve dollars in pennies and congradulates himself that at least he has come up with something.

He cannot grasp that there is nothing he can add to what Jesus has done to secure his redemption.

This tendency to refuse to be an unconditional recepient of eternal life causes him to twist many Bible teachings.

Man thinks he needs a certain amount of improvement before he can receive the gift of eternal life. He looks to his own effort for assurance. He feels he has a greater and better chance to have eternal life if he can at least improve a little.

He knows he cannot be perfect. But he thinks he can improve his condition a little and perhaps trust God for the rest.

The sooner one realizes that Jesus PAID IT ALL the better. We cannot gamble that maybe if we add a little goodness God will make up the difference. There is no assurance in this.

But to acknowledge that Christ has paid in full for our eternal redemption and that there is nothing we can add, will bring the longed for assurance.

Galveston, you are still hoping to be saved. It is far better to confess to God that you stand completely on Christ as your ONLY merit and your ONLY means of acceptance into eternal life.

Originally posted by jaywill
One of the strongest aspects of the fallen man is that he refuses to believe that he could be an unconditional benefitiary of God's salvation through faith.

The fallen man constantly thinks he has to do something good before he can saved. Whether it is keeping the law, the performing of good works, or the need for repentence, the fallen man always thi ...[text shortened]... completely on Christ as your ONLY merit and your ONLY means of acceptance into eternal life.

Amen To that Jaywill. 😉 What deeds can we do to gain our salvation?? Nothing !!

We do good works in gratitude of What Christ did but not to earn our salvation.




Manny

Originally posted by menace71
Amen To that Jaywill. 😉 What deeds can we do to gain our salvation?? Nothing !!

We do good works in gratitude of What Christ did but not to earn our salvation.




Manny

No one is talking about 'earning' salvation. What is disputed is whether a person can commit sin and without repentance still hope for the rewards of Christ's salvation. If you think he can, then you presumably subscribe to the belief that murderers, rapists and genocidal maniacs may still be saved without an ounce of contrition. I think that belief would be horrifying and totally counter to Jesus' teachings about the kingdom and need for repentance.

Originally posted by Conrau K
Twitehead has a point. A name is just a series of arbitrary sounds. My name is 'Kyle' but it could just as easily have been 'John' without any loss to my identity. There is no necessary relationship between my name and who I am.

yes unfortunately for this argument, its not the same with God, for his name is full of meaning!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yes unfortunately for this argument, its not the same with God, for his name is full of meaning!

Sure, but then you acknowledge that the name itself originates from Hebrew, not God. It is the meaning behind the word 'Jehovah' that belongs to God; the name itself however belongs only to those people for whom this word had that meaning.

Originally posted by Conrau K
Sure, but then you acknowledge that the name itself originates from Hebrew, not God. It is the meaning behind the word 'Jehovah' that belongs to God; the name itself however belongs only to those people for whom this word had that meaning.

ummm when did I acknowledge admit that the name does not originate from God himself?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
ummm when did I acknowledge admit that the name does not originate from God himself?

I am sorry; I misunderstood you. So why would God choose Je-ho-vah, an arbitrary sequence of sounds, as His name?

Originally posted by Conrau K
I am sorry; I misunderstood you. So why would God choose Je-ho-vah, an arbitrary sequence of sounds, as His name?

why is it just an arbitrary sequence of sounds? the name has meaning and is tied up with the issue of universal soveriegnty and thus the vindication of that name, not to mention its meaning as one who cause his purposes to see fruition, thus it is tied up with his purposes as well. That it is a meaningless arbitrary sequence of sounds in not true, for to humans, this apparent arbitrary sequence of sounds has meaning. Its not some child playing on a keyboard you know!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
why is it just an arbitrary sequence of sounds? the name has meaning and is tied up with the issue of universal soveriegnty and thus the vindication of that name, not to mention its meaning as one who cause his purposes to see fruition, thus it is tied up with his purposes as well. That it is a meaningless arbitrary sequence of sounds in not true, ...[text shortened]... nt arbitrary sequence of sounds has meaning. Its not some child playing on a keyboard you know!

But it only has that meaning in classical Hebrew. So before the creation of the world, before Hebrew even existed, before 'Jehovah' had acquired its present meaning, why would it signify anything of God?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
why is it just an arbitrary sequence of sounds? the name has meaning and is tied up with the issue of universal soveriegnty and thus the vindication of that name, not to mention its meaning as one who cause his purposes to see fruition, thus it is tied up with his purposes as well. That it is a meaningless arbitrary sequence of sounds in not true, ...[text shortened]... nt arbitrary sequence of sounds has meaning. Its not some child playing on a keyboard you know!

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Jehovah

Originally posted by Conrau K
No one is talking about 'earning' salvation. What is disputed is whether a person can commit sin and without repentance still hope for the rewards of Christ's salvation. If you think he can, then you presumably subscribe to the belief that murderers, rapists and genocidal maniacs may still be saved without an ounce of contrition. I think that belief would b ...[text shortened]... orrifying and totally counter to Jesus' teachings about the kingdom and need for repentance.

What has come to be known by the term 'repent' in the original languages of the Bible meant something entirely different. Simply put, to repent meant to change one's mind.

Originally posted by Conrau K
But it only has that meaning in classical Hebrew. So before the creation of the world, before Hebrew even existed, before 'Jehovah' had acquired its present meaning, why would it signify anything of God?

of what significance does anything have in relation to humanity before the founding of the world? before language?