10 Nov 05
Originally posted by no1marauderI can not judge RBHILL because I don't know him. I give him the benefit of the doubt as a brother in Christ. He is not be perfect - but neither am I. Getting better is a process - sanctification.
If you think RBHILL's mind has "been renewed and transformed" you really can't read.
10 Nov 05
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Originally posted by ColettiYou are judged by your deeds if Jesus is really the one doing the judging. For both of you:
I can not judge RBHILL because I don't know him. I give him the benefit of the doubt as a brother in Christ. He is not be perfect - but neither am I. Getting better is a process - sanctification.
Matthew 5:47: And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the Gentiles the same?
10 Nov 05
Originally posted by RBHILLRB if you have brainwashed yourself into thinking that you are a superior thats your downfall. You seem to say everything contrary to the teachings of Christ. You might be 'born again' but you are certainly not a true follower of Christ.
You not being a born again believer can't tell me what is christlike and what isn't tell you accept him yourself. So lets not even go there.
10 Nov 05
Originally posted by RBHILLWhere is this stated in the Bible?
The righousness taht a follower of Chirst has is Chirsts righousness.
When a believer dies a physical death God sees Christs rightousness not the persons becasue people have no rightousness but Christs rightuosness if they are saved.
10 Nov 05
Originally posted by no1marauderJesus is always right. The Pharisees thought they were perfect in obedience to the Law. Jesus said it was not enough. No matter how righteous you think you are - it's not going to cut it. Not one dot or iota is be taken away.
So Jesus was wrong in Matthew 5:20. Thanks for sharing.
Since this is not possible for man, only God can do it. Jesus atones for the sins of believers - he is the propitiation for sin. He's sacrifice of his life paid the penalty - and his resurrection shows the payment was accepted. This frees the believer to live for Christ.
10 Nov 05
Originally posted by ColettiThere's not a single part of what you say in Matthew 5. He says it's up to you. I don't know where your theology comes from, but it certainly isn't from Jesus' words.
Jesus is always right. The Pharisees thought they were perfect in obedience to the Law. Jesus said it was not enough. No matter how righteous you think you are - it's not going to cut it. Not one dot or iota is be taken away.
Since this is not possible for man, only God can do it. Jesus atones for the sins of believers - he is the propitiation for ...[text shortened]... nd his resurrection shows the payment was accepted. This frees the believer to live for Christ.
10 Nov 05
Originally posted by ColettiIf he showed any interest in 'getting better,' he would find a far
I can not judge RBHILL because I don't know him. I give him the benefit of the doubt as a brother in Christ. He is not be perfect - but neither am I. Getting better is a process - sanctification.
more receptive audience here at RHP. But, the fact of the matter is,
after repeatedly being corrected and corrected, he maintains the most
absurd notions about Christianity which are, at times, antithetical to
standard doctrine.
Like, for example, saying that fornication means something other than
sex outside of marriage.
Nemesio
10 Nov 05
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Originally posted by ColettiIf John Calvin and Protestants in the 1600's can carve out 7 (or was it 9?) books of the Bible, I figure I can do some editing, too. Why some letters some guy wrote should be considered equal to the words and deeds of God in the flesh has always mystified me. How many times have you seen RBHILL quote from the Book of James?
I forgot - they are not part of no1's "bible."
10 Nov 05
Originally posted by ColettiColetti , let me know where that passage is please . thanks.
I forgot - they are not part of no1's "bible."
I find both yourself and RB are making statements without some biblical support.
I am not as knowledeable as you are (maybe) so please quote wherever possible.
10 Nov 05
Originally posted by Rajk999He ya go. I pulled this together kind of quick - but I think it covers much of what we were taking about. Some about justification, some sanctification.
Coletti , let me know where that passage is please . thanks.
I find both yourself and RB are making statements without some biblical support.
I am not as knowledeable as you are (maybe) so please quote wherever possible.
Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.
(Rom 3:20-28)
For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.
(Heb 10:14)
Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
(1Th 5:23)
But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth,
(2Th 2:13)
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise Him; He has put Him to grief. When You make His soul an offering for sin, He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days, And the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in His hand. He shall see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied. By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many, For He shall bear their iniquities. Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great, And He shall divide the spoil with the strong, Because He poured out His soul unto death, And He was numbered with the transgressors, And He bore the sin of many, And made intercession for the transgressors.
(Isa 53:10-12)
And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight;
(Col 1:21-22)
For we ourselves were also once foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful and hating one another. But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
(Tit 3:3-7)
10 Nov 05
Originally posted by ColettiNary a word from Jesus; what a surprise. Have you ever read the Book of James, Coletti, or did John Calvin scrub that book from your Bible like he did the other books?
He ya go. I pulled this together kind of quick - but I think it covers much of what we were taking about. Some about justification, some sanctification.
Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnesse ...[text shortened]... is grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
(Tit 3:3-7)