Salvation

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
Is it consistent with your notion of Christ that God would play the role of the bullet in this game, or allow the game to be played at all?

There are Christians that claim Salvation, but they also live in sin. They tend to say or appear that they love GOD. But they do things of the devil. example.........Married and have a mistress(girlfriend), workers of the ministry and then abuse children, read their BIBLE and then Pornografic magazines, books and movies, and etc,etd,etc.

Originally posted by no1marauder
No he isn't; he makes no such distinction in Matthew 25. You're saved if you act with compassion and generousity towards your fellow Man and you're doomed if you don't. All the screeching you do that "I'M SAVED!" won't help you one bit on Judgment Day according to Jesus.

OK, If use only the WORDS OF CHRIST, what is the discription of a believer and an unbeliever.

Originally posted by no1marauder
The underlying doctrinal difference we are discussing is whether "good works" as defined by Jesus in Matthew 25 is essential for salvation or not. The fundamental "Christians" of RBHILL's stripe believe that your mere assertion of belief in Jesus is sufficient basing this on various quotes from the Pauline chapters of the New Testament. Whether that ...[text shortened]... omprehensive Bible Study (look at RB's "Bible Study" threads for clear confirmation of this).

Do you believe that when JESUS CHRIST, had gone into heaven, HIS ministry was finished?

Originally posted by blindfaith101
OK, If use only the WORDS OF CHRIST, what is the discription of a believer and an unbeliever.

"Faith without works is dead". If you are a believer in Jesus you do as he asks in Matthew 25; if you don't do as he commands then you don't really believe in his message, do you?

Originally posted by no1marauder
The underlying doctrinal difference we are discussing is whether "good works" as defined by Jesus in Matthew 25 is essential for salvation or not. The fundamental "Christians" of RBHILL's stripe believe that your mere assertion of belief in Jesus is sufficient basing this on various quotes from the Pauline chapters of the New Testament. Whether that ...[text shortened]... omprehensive Bible Study (look at RB's "Bible Study" threads for clear confirmation of this).

Yes their are many Christians that donot read their BIBLES, as well as many that do not believe theirs. Their are those that are not really in touch with CHRIST. If we are to claim Salvation, then we are to claim all of Salvation. Are we not to follow CHRIST'S example and believe and do as HE said in MATTHEW 4:4.

Originally posted by kirksey957
You have to get past the initial phase of questioning which makes me wonder if you will be selected. They usually prefer to pick the uninformed and easily manipulated. Seriously though, I hope you get something interesting like a fundamentalist preacher who refuses to let the fire marshal inspect their church on grounds of separation of church and stat ...[text shortened]... t pay his taxes because Jesus is coming soon and it won't matter.

Please keep us informed.

JESUS said to pay Taxes. Therefore any Christian that refuses to is in error.

Originally posted by no1marauder
What do you think of this verse in 1 John 5:18:

18We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.

Aren't you always quoting some verse in Romans that says "all Men have sinned"? But here it says "no one who is born of God sins"! Which is it?

Is it not true that when you become Born Again, you no longer have the desire to willful sin. We still sin but we can repent from that sin and therefore never have to sin that sin again.

Originally posted by RBHILL
Well they don't, but I know that you don't understand the flash of a person can be in God's presences because of Sin. And you are lost so you do not know more about the Bible then I do, because if you did you would be against me.

So in saying this if God is for me who can be against me? I would say no one.

when you die if you are saved God whats to see Jesus in you. It is Jesus that saves you not yourself.

Is it not more righteous to read all of THE WORD OF GOD, believe all of THE WORD OF GOD, and leave it at that?

Originally posted by blindfaith101
Do you believe that when JESUS CHRIST, had gone into heaven, HIS ministry was finished?

Assuming that Jesus Christ went into Heaven: No, because he did instruct the Apostles and others to continue his ministry and preach his Gospel. But it is HIS Gospel, not their's so if their words are in conflict with his, then a believer in Jesus must accept his Word over their's. I believe that there are some here who say his name and say they believe in Him, but very often preach doctrines that are in conflict with his teachings. Perhaps that is true of some of his disciples as well, though it could be that others are misinterpeting them.

Originally posted by no1marauder
"Faith without works is dead". If you are a believer in Jesus you do as he asks in Matthew 25; if you don't do as he commands then you don't really believe in his message, do you?

You Are Right. But, does that not also mean that you have to believe and do every Word, that JESUS CHRIST said? As well as every Word of THE HOLY SPIRIT, that was sent by GOD?

Originally posted by blindfaith101
Is it not true that when you become Born Again, you no longer have the desire to willful sin. We still sin but we can repent from that sin and therefore never have to sin that sin again.

I don't believe in the concept of being "Born Again" which is a translation error in Romans (or whatever) and something Jesus never mentioned in the Gospels. To base an entire theology on something Jesus never said and call it "Christian" is quite odd to me.

Originally posted by blindfaith101
You Are Right. But, does that not also mean that you have to believe and do every Word, that JESUS CHRIST said? As well as every Word of THE HOLY SPIRIT, that was sent by GOD?

No it doesn't as that would be an impossible standard for human beings to meet. And God would know that better than anybody.

Originally posted by no1marauder
Assuming that Jesus Christ went into Heaven: No, because he did instruct the Apostles and others to continue his ministry and preach his Gospel. But it is HIS Gospel, not their's so if their words are in conflict with his, then a believer in Jesus must accept his Word over their's. I believe that there are some here who say his name and say they believ ...[text shortened]... s true of some of his disciples as well, though it could be that others are misinterpeting them.

First I believe that the WORD OF GOD, is the WORD OF JESUS CHRIST. I donot believe that there are any contradictions. Why? If there were any contradictions in THE WORD OF GOD, the satan has nothing to fear. For only 1 contradiction would make the entire WORD OF GOD, False. Satan would stood infront of JESUS CHRIST, and called GOD a Bald Face Liar, or something worse. HE has never done that! When I say satan, I donot mean those of other faiths, or those that do not believe in GOD. I mean that One that was first accused of sinning.
Those of you that believe in satan and study him. In all of the writings that I know of. He never disputes the fact that there is a GOD. His whole arguement is who he claims he is. I know that this may be way off topic, but then again maybe it's not.
The Apostle every word stands, side by side with the WORDS OF CHRIST. There is no conflict or contradictions. Or if there are let's, put their Words side by side THE WORDS OF CHRIST, and see. If anyone could disprove THE WORD OF GOD, or really find conflicts or contradictions. Can you just imagine, The Wealth that satan will give you, for giving him the victory.

Originally posted by no1marauder
I don't believe in the concept of being "Born Again" which is a translation error in Romans (or whatever) and something Jesus never mentioned in the Gospels. To base an entire theology on something Jesus never said and call it "Christian" is quite odd to me.

Then I would be willing to try this........ Let's go to the Translations Scripture by Scripture on the Words of CHRIST. Only on the Words of CHRIST. Let's say just 5 translations of THE WORD OF GOD. Just looking at what JESUS said.
As far as the Word Christian, is there not a given History of the term in THE WORD OF GOD. But then again to call oneself a Follower of CHRIST, does sound better.

Originally posted by no1marauder
No it doesn't as that would be an impossible standard for human beings to meet. And God would know that better than anybody.

It is not impossible to follow every WORD OF GOD. It takes Faith, a whole lot of Faith. A complete total commitment in Faith. A commitment that most of Us Christians(Followers of CHRIST) refuse to invest in.(including myself) Truth of the matter, most of us donot even know what Faith is.