Satan as Suffering Hero

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
[bPrior to making the conscious decision for the latter, he and the woman spent every day for an undetermined amount of time enjoying the company of one another, of God and of all the bounty of the rest of the Garden.
Paradise.
.[/b]

Poor Adam.
Whenever I'm in the garden with my wife she complains about the flying insects.
Couldn't put up with that every day.

Originally posted by twhitehead
So you are saying that God made eve look sexy purely for his own enjoyment? And those reproductive parts were only added later? Or are you saying we would still be having sex but not know how good it feels?

If I understand well, if Adam and Eve hadn't sinned, they would've lived happily in the garden forever without the need to pro-create and the rest of humanity would have never come into existence.

I'm pretty sure that is what Grampy Booby believes.

Originally posted by DeepThought
They don't realise they are naked until after eating the apple, it's how they're found out.

They didn't think it was wrong until they ate the apple. That doesn't mean they didn't like seeing each other naked. Animals get attracted to each others nakedness and they didn't eat the apple.

The wearing of clothes is actually only necessary when humans live in large groups with strangers and you don't want to give the wrong signals.

Originally posted by Captain Strange
I think creating the talking snake was a mistake.

An interesting point also related to the "did God create evil" thread.

However I think there is evidence in the Bible to suggest that the creature was created with legs and with an affinity between it and the woman.

Originally posted by twhitehead
They didn't think it was wrong until they ate the apple. That doesn't mean they didn't like seeing each other naked. Animals get attracted to each others nakedness and they didn't eat the apple.

The wearing of clothes is actually only necessary when humans live in large groups with strangers and you don't want to give the wrong signals.

The text says that they saw that they were naked. I think it is written as their eyes were opened and they saw (perceived) that they were naked.

Originally posted by divegeester
The text says that they saw that they were naked. I think it is written as their eyes were opened and they saw (perceived) that they were naked.

Which basically means they recognised nakedness as being wrong.

Originally posted by twhitehead
Which basically means they recognised nakedness as being wrong.

Yes, after perceiving (seeing) that they were naked, they then used their newly acquired knowledge of good and evil to decide that being naked was wrong.

Originally posted by divegeester
Yes, after perceiving (seeing) that they were naked, they then used their newly acquired knowledge of good and evil to decide that being naked was wrong.

No, I do not think that is what it means. Its kind of obvious that you are naked when you are naked. Its not like they would not be able to see each other. What they perceived after they ate the apple was that nakedness was wrong.
Think of it like this: a one year old child will know perfectly well when they are naked and when someone else is naked. They will be able to perceive it. They will not be bothered by it or see it as morally wrong until they grow up a bit.

Originally posted by Great King Rat
If I understand well, if Adam and Eve hadn't sinned, they would've lived happily in the garden forever without the need to pro-create and the rest of humanity would have never come into existence.

I'm pretty sure that is what Grampy Booby believes.

But did they have the parts to procreate, or were those added later? If they had them, then God clearly knew what would happen and planned ahead. He took the time to give them special reproductive parts but didn't bother to put a fence around the apple tree.

Originally posted by wolfgang59
Poor Adam.
Whenever I'm in the garden with my wife she complains about the flying insects.
Couldn't put up with that every day.

Don't worry, even the mosquitoes were vegetarians back then.

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
[b]God wanted to keep humans in an animal-like state, without the ability to determine right and wrong (basically, free will).
404.
God made man in His image; among other 'ins' was the 'in' of free will.
Man was given free will to choose between two systems: the one he was created into, Life, and the one he was tricked/pussy-whipped into, the ...[text shortened]... sed Satan's deceit to bring salvation to all mankind.

At least, for those who are interested.[/b]

Well said.

Originally posted by wolfgang59
Poor Adam.
Whenever I'm in the garden with my wife she complains about the flying insects.
Couldn't put up with that every day.

Much of this came with the curse.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Much of this came with the curse.

How annoying insects are, or insects themselves?

Originally posted by twhitehead
But did they have the parts to procreate, or were those added later? If they had them, then God clearly knew what would happen and planned ahead. He took the time to give them special reproductive parts but didn't bother to put a fence around the apple tree.

Well, as you know, I am an atheist and as baffled by the mindnumbingly lack of logic present here as you are.

But luckily there are many people here who do believe in the story of Adam and Eve, so perhaps they could shine some light into out blackened eyes.

Divegeester?
Suzi?
Sonship?
Old Fossil?
RJ?
RBHill?
Whodey?
Joseph?
KellyJay?
checkbaiter?
Jesus?

Please explain, if you will.

Originally posted by Great King Rat
Well, as you know, I am an atheist and as baffled by the mindnumbingly lack of logic present here as you are.

But luckily there are many people here who do believe in the story of Adam and Eve, so perhaps they could shine some light into out blackened eyes.

Divegeester?
Suzi?
Sonship?
Old Fossil?
RJ?
RBHill?
Whodey?
Joseph?
KellyJay?
checkbaiter?
Jesus?

Please explain, if you will.

What are you confused about? There were no flaws in the human gene pool they could
have procreated without issues.