05 Jan 13
Originally posted by wolfgang59"... your idiotic questions."
I'm far away from being the brightest one on these forums but your idiotic questions are easily answerable.
1. What came first - the chicken, or the egg?
The egg. All chickens come from eggs. But not all eggs come from chickens.
2. If you keep on travelling east, when will you reach the east? And what will lie east of you then?
(east is re ...[text shortened]... . When we 'feel' Love, which part of our body 'feels' it?
dont you remember gramps?
They're not mine, WG. Simply tried to provide a little stray grist for JS' Mill.
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05 Jan 13
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyJesus warns us about Satan.... "The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep." (John 10:10-11) KJV
[b]Satan's Priority One
Satan's Priority One is to pervert God's love in the minds of men and women. He does so to perpetuate the age old question, 'How can God be so unfair as to condemn and sentence anyone to an eternal lake of fire?' Some say that Scripture reveals the answer to this otherwise unanswerable question. What say you?
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05 Jan 13
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyThis is from a friend..
[b]Unanswerable Questions (Questions from the World of Science and Philosophy):
1. What came first - the chicken, or the egg?
2. If you keep on travelling east, when will you reach the east? And what will lie east of you then?
(east is replaceable with west / north / south)
3. What was there before the 'big bang'?
4. Where were you ...[text shortened]... ng the Unanswerable, Making Sense
of the Nonsensical, and Solving the Unsolvable)
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WHO CREATED GOD?
It is easy to make an argument for God’s existence from a cosmological standpoint. As the years have gone by, a growing amount of scientific data has accumulated which negates atheistic assumptions about how matter and the cosmos came into existence and how it has arrived at its present condition.
One question which inevitably comes up in a discussion of this nature is what the origin of God is? If God created matter and energy and designed the systems that have propelled matter into its present arrangement, who or what accomplished that for God? Why is it any more reasonable to believe that God has always been than it is to say that matter has always been? As Carl Sagan has said, “If we say that God has always been, why not save a step and conclude that the universe has always been?” (Carl Sagan, Cosmos, [New York: Random House, Inc., 1980], p. 257).
From a purely scientific standpoint, it is easy to demonstrate that matter cannot be eternal in nature. The universe is expanding from what appears to be a beginning point in space and time, which appears to be a one time event. Hydrogen is the basic fuel of the cosmos, powering all stars and other energy sources in space. If the fuel of the universe has been used eternally, that fuel will eventually be depleted; but the evidence is that the cosmological gas gauge, while moving toward “empty,” is yet a long way from being there—a condition incompatible with an eternal universe.
The second law of thermodynamics insists that the cosmos is moving toward a condition of disorder, sometimes referred to as “heat death.” Even in an oscillating universe, things ultimately run out of energy and “die.” All of these evidences, and several others we have not made reference to, show that matter cannot be eternal, as Dr. Sagan and his associates would like to believe. However, this does not mean that we automatically accept the hypothesis that God is the Creator. Why is it not equally invalid to suggest that God has always been?
The problem here is that many people have a mistaken concept of God. If we conceive of God as physical, anthropomorphic (like man) being, the question of God’s origin is valid. However, such a concept of God is alien to the Bible and to common sense.
The descriptions and concepts of God given in scripture are that God is a spiritual entity. He exists outside of the three-dimensional physical world in which we live. Not only is God described as being outside space, but He is also described as being outside of time.
If God is a being that is unlimited in time, and if He has access to every piece of time as if it were now, the question of who created God is an invalid question. The problem is like asking a student to draw a four-sided triangle. The terminology is self-contradictory.
When asked “Who or what created God?” we are making the assumption that God was created. If God exists outside of time and space, and if He is the Creator of time and space, He obviously was not created! God began the beginning! This is why He says, “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last”
God created time. The statement of Genesis, “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth,” is making reference to the creation of time. The reason that things like heat death, the expansion of the universe, and the depletion of hydrogen do not apply to God is because He is outside of time. God has always been. He did things before time began He not only began time; He will also end it.
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05 Jan 13
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyI think before Satan has this as a priority he first gets man to question that God has said ANYTHING at all in the first place.
[b]Satan's Priority One
Satan's Priority One is to pervert God's love in the minds of men and women. He does so to perpetuate the age old question, 'How can God be so unfair as to condemn and sentence anyone to an eternal lake of fire?' Some say that Scripture reveals the answer to this otherwise unanswerable question. What say you?
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05 Jan 13
Originally posted by checkbaiterI'm quite happy with your argument that God has no creator because he has always been. (Its the same argument that atheists use for the Universe not requiring a creator)
[b]... The terminology is self-contradictory.
... God has always been. He did things before time began [b]
BUT
You cannot use logic and science in an argument and then use the phrase
"before time began"
its self-contradictory
05 Jan 13
Originally posted by checkbaiter
This is from a friend..
WHO CREATED GOD?
It is easy to make an argument for God’s existence from a cosmological standpoint. As the years have gone by, a growing amount of scientific data has accumulated which negates atheistic assumptions about how matter and the cosmos came into existence and how it has arrived at its present condition.
One quest ...[text shortened]... od has always been. He did things before time began He not only began time; He will also end it.
... a growing amount of scientific data has accumulated which negates atheistic assumptions about how matter and the cosmos came into existence...
Could you list any 'scientific data' which 'negates "atheistic" assumptions' in this regard? Because so far you haven't, and I don't think you can. Tell you what, I'll make it easier for you. Firstly, give us just one "atheistic assumption" about the origin of matter and the universe, then reference a single scientific paper which negates that assumption.
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06 Jan 13
Originally posted by avalanchethecatNo, as I stated this was from a friend. I do not have the scientific background to argue and articulate what you seek. I did find an interesting site but you probably are not interested. But here it is anyway..... a growing amount of scientific data has accumulated which negates atheistic assumptions about how matter and the cosmos came into existence...
Could you list any 'scientific data' which 'negates "atheistic" assumptions' in this regard? Because so far you haven't, and I don't think you can. Tell you what, I'll make it easi ...[text shortened]... the universe, then reference a single scientific paper which negates that assumption.
It is entitled "The case against Evolution" ...you might find the answer there..
http://www.the-highway.com/against-evolution_Morris.html
06 Jan 13
Originally posted by checkbaiterI have a friend too.
No, as I stated this was from a friend. I do not have the scientific background to argue
He sent me this;
Theologians have discovered indisputable proof that no deity
exists. Previously the knowledge was held only by the Vatican
but it has been leaked to the JWs and Mormons who are now
arguing over who found out first.
indisputable proof that means you cannot dispute it because its indisputable
06 Jan 13
Originally posted by checkbaiterI did glance briefly at the creationist site you referenced, but finding that the article in question is a chapter from a book published in 1963 overly taxed my ability to consider the potential pertinence of any information contained therein.
No, as I stated this was from a friend. I do not have the scientific background to argue and articulate what you seek. I did find an interesting site but you probably are not interested. But here it is anyway..
It is entitled "The case against Evolution" ...you might find the answer there..
http://www.the-highway.com/against-evolution_Morris.html
Here's a link for you:
http://tinyurl.com/aheonz9
It's a google search listing over 2 million results for scholarly publications attesting to the genetic basis for evolution, all of which post-date "The Case Against Evolution" by your man, Morris, and all of which have the benefit of some, much, most or all of the truly amazing advances in genetic science not available to Morris prior to his publication.
06 Jan 13
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Originally posted by RBHILLRBHILL, this post is one of those rare exceptions to the rule I have which states that when we have need to refer to RBHILL (usually to conjure up the image of a poster who most of us would laugh at, or pity), we should only talk about RBHILL, and not to him. Cheerio! 🙂
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06 Jan 13
Originally posted by wolfgang59Your friend has a really loose definition of proof.
I have a friend too.
He sent me this;
Theologians have discovered indisputable proof that no deity
exists. Previously the knowledge was held only by the Vatican
but it has been leaked to the JWs and Mormons who are now
arguing over who found out first.
[b]indisputable proof that means you cannot dispute it because its indisputable[/b]