Saved Eternally ??

Originally posted by checkbaiter
[b]I believe those that are born again, who receive God's Spirit, who do the work God has
for them to do, who believe in Jesus will if they are called Christian or not will receive
eternal life
Why do you add to salvation? Namely, "those who do the work God has called them to do?"
Anyone who is born again, already has eternal life, period.[/b]

I'm not adding anything to the scripture, we are saved by grace through faith, we cannot
earn it, but once there we will be doing what the Lord wants. You need to see scripture that
says we will be doing the works God calls us to?

Originally posted by Rajk999
I never mentioned 'bride of Christ'. I said the 'body of Christ'.

I interpret the former to be New Jerusalem and the latter to be the righteous sheep that Christ accepts into the Kingdom of God. Not all of the latter are Christians and not all Christians are sheep.

The Christian sheep are not corrupted. The Christian goats are corrupted and will be ex ...[text shortened]...
Gods work in not defeated. Did I aver say that? Why do you people keep twisting what I say???

We don't twist anything, you are the one claiming those that have turned their lives over to
the Lord so that they have received the grace of God through God's faith He has given us
to be lumped in with sinners who do not know God. Do you know where the term Christian
came from in Scripture and why? You spend more time smearing God's church than you
do building it up.

Originally posted by KellyJay
We don't twist anything, you are the one claiming those that have turned their lives over to
the Lord so that they have received the grace of God through God's faith He has given us
to be lumped in with sinners who do not know God. Do you know where the term Christian
came from in Scripture and why? You spend more time smearing God's church than you
do building it up.

Gods church? I doubt that you know what that really is. You are just a brown-noser .. going around the forums supporting the false doctrines paraded by the likes of sonship and checkbaiter.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Why do you people keep twisting what I say???

Why don't you answer the questions I put to you, instead of ignoring me in feigned indignation?

Originally posted by Rajk999
Gods church? I doubt that you know what that really is. You are just a brown-noser .. going around the forums supporting the false doctrines paraded by the likes of sonship and checkbaiter.

Getting personal again? You should really look into how you are supposed to treat others.
I've not supported any false doctrines, but if you care to point one out to me I'd gladly
defend my stance. I've pointed out to you how your views are in error of scripture and
when you see them, you just ignore what was presented, claiming your not interested or
some other statement along those lines.

If and when you do wish to point out a false doctrine I'm promoting, please use my words
and not make up my views so you can claim they are not valid.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Getting personal again? You should really look into how you are supposed to treat others.
I've not supported any false doctrines, but if you care to point one out to me I'd gladly
defend my stance. I've pointed out to you how your views are in error of scripture and
when you see them, you just ignore what was presented, claiming your not interested or
s ...[text shortened]... 'm promoting, please use my words
and not make up my views so you can claim they are not valid.

Truth cannot smear Gods church? Lies and false doctrines do that. Telling people that they can have eternal life immediately [regardless of how many sins they commit after], only they have to accept Jesus Christ with their mouth - that is the biggest lie ever told. It deceives the innocent into a false sense of security which they do not have. They are not told what is REQUIRED OF CHRISTIAN LIVING. This ignorance is what encourages sin and evil which smears and defiles Gods church.

Sonship promotes this kind of doctrine and you have never once challenged him. Hence my statement that you are a supporter of this doctrine.

Originally posted by KellyJay
I'm not adding anything to the scripture, we are saved by grace through faith, we cannot
earn it, but once there we will be doing what the Lord wants. You need to see scripture that
says we will be doing the works God calls us to?

Yes but you make salvation sound conditional on doing what God called us to

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Yes but you make salvation sound conditional on doing what God called us to

Heb 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

I know you dont believe Christ has any say in anything as his dispensation expired. Anyway, Paul is saying in the above reference, that IF someone OBEYS Christ, THEN they get eternal salvation.... IF! Obedience does not come by professing to have faith and promising to obey. It comes by actually obeying and actually living the true Christian life and enduring to the end:

Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him. (James 1:12 KJV)

IF you endure to the end THEN you get the crown of life... IF !

See? God does not allow shortcuts, does not like shysters and God hates liars. God is not fooled by empty meaningless promises of faith. God is waiting for every Chrsitian to prove themselves.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Truth cannot smear Gods church? Lies and false doctrines do that. Telling people that they can have eternal life immediately [regardless of how many sins they commit after], only they have to accept Jesus Christ with their mouth - that is the biggest lie ever told. It deceives the innocent into a false sense of security which they do not have. They are n ...[text shortened]... ou have never once challenged him. Hence my statement that you are a supporter of this doctrine.

Lies would be suggesting that I've said you can live a life of sin. You have to make stuff
up to suggest I'm pushing something false, I asked that you to quote me and not make
things up as you just did. I don't challenge others because they don't push heresy as you
do suggesting we need to earn our salvation through works when it is clear no one can
do that. Again, not saying we will not do works, but when we do them it will be because we
are obeying God not earning our salvation.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Yes but you make salvation sound conditional on doing what God called us to

I been at this for 10 years here, you think I'm pushing earing salvation due to works?
We cannot earn our salvation, we will be doing works but not towards salvation but to
obey God. You need the Spirit of God to know God, with God's Spirit you will be lead by
the Spirit of God to do the works God wants.

If you are not going to repent from your sin and follow God's Spirit are you indeed saved
by not walking in the Spirit of God?

Originally posted by KellyJay
I been at this for 10 years here, you think I'm pushing earing salvation due to works?
We cannot earn our salvation, we will be doing works but not towards salvation but to
obey God. You need the Spirit of God to know God, with God's Spirit you will be lead by
the Spirit of God to do the works God wants.

If you are not going to repent from your sin and follow God's Spirit are you indeed saved
by not walking in the Spirit of God?

You are not being clear. Are you saying that Chiristians who do not walk in the Spirit of God will not not get eternal life?

Originally posted by Rajk999
[b]Heb 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

I know you dont believe Christ has any say in anything as his dispensation expired. Anyway, Paul is saying in the above reference, that IF someone OBEYS Christ, THEN they get eternal salvation.... IF! Obedience does not come by professing to ...[text shortened]... by empty meaningless promises of faith. God is waiting for every Chrsitian to prove themselves.[/b]

You contradict the very verse you are quoting.

]Heb 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

It can't be eternal if you can lose it. The obedience he speaks of is to confess Jesus as Lord.

Originally posted by Rajk999
You are not being clear. Are you saying that Chiristians who do not walk in the Spirit of God will not not get eternal life?

If you do not have the Spirit of God, you do not belong to God. I've given you scripture on
this several times, I guess it must have been one of those points/scriptures you just didn't
think worth reading.

Originally posted by KellyJay
I been at this for 10 years here, you think I'm pushing earing salvation due to works?
We cannot earn our salvation, we will be doing works but not towards salvation but to
obey God. You need the Spirit of God to know God, with God's Spirit you will be lead by
the Spirit of God to do the works God wants.

If you are not going to repent from your sin and follow God's Spirit are you indeed saved
by not walking in the Spirit of God?

I know Christians who were fervent and fell away. They have no reward but they are still saved.
BTW... I have been at this for 21 years here and 41 in my lifetime.
Is there a seniority condition I am missing here?

Originally posted by checkbaiter
You contradict the very verse you are quoting.

][b]Heb 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

It can't be eternal if you can lose it. The obedience he speaks of is to confess Jesus as Lord.[/b]

No .. the salvation is the eternal life when he returns. Now you have nothing but a promise. You have to wait until the return of Christ for eternal salvation.. But when he returns and you do get it, then you cannot lose it.

Obedience is WHAT ?? Confessing with your mouth? I know a few 3 yr olds in my village that can teach you some English Language and that is their second language.