30 Mar 06
Originally posted by twhiteheadWell lets see, to begin with no one created you. Also, you have the ability to create which is not an evolutionary process as you have pointed out. Does this not mean you have supernatural abilities?
How does the ability to create make you a God? Wheres the logic here?
30 Mar 06
Wow, this thread contains some of the poorest thought process I've witnessed in ages. Whodey and Jester, the leaps you are making in reason are astounding. You should open up some wierd surrealist church with that stuff, I'm sure you'd get idiots the world over flocking to you.
30 Mar 06
Originally posted by twhiteheadI simply would like to explore what we mean by the word God. If there is no God, then do we assume the role? For example, in the scriptures the serpant told Adam and Eve that if they partook of the fruit they would perceive good from evil and be as gods. I think that what the serpant was saying was that you can be your own god. If they decided to act on their own whim and ignored God's will, then they would be acting on their own will that was contrary to God's will. They then became their own god. They no longer chose to recognize the "Lordship" of their God and instead became accountable only to themselves. It seems that the scriptural reference to god is somewhat different to the modern day definition in Wiki.
You start by critisizing others about thier words then proceed to throw words around like you speak a different language. Now you are even calling me God.
Atheists seem to get squeemish about the "G" word. Does a god have to be all knowing, all powerful, and beyond the scope of human capacity? Or can being a god simply mean being autonomous and only accountable to one self? Clearly we are at the top of the food chain and seem to be in control of the world. Nothing created us and we are only accountable to ourselves. We are even a triune being possessing body, soul, and dare I say it.......spirit. Look at what we create and acheive. Looking at our evolutionary progress it seems that we are becoming more god like day by day. Who is to say that in another billion years from now that men and women of the future will be "god like" in our eyes.
30 Mar 06
Originally posted by whodeyHow do concepts and ideas fit within the framework of Darwinism and evolution? That's just absurd.
And what I meant was that if you are an evolutionist then nothing is a result of "creation". In effect, all things evolve and are not created. THerefore, the concept of God is merely a Darwinian phenomenon. What is odd is that evolutionsists spend all their time attacking this evolutionary progression.
30 Mar 06
Originally posted by darvlayBecause nothing is created. All things evolve in some way or as a result of an evolutionary process. If they do not the only other logical conclusion is that they are created.
How do concepts and ideas fit within the framework of Darwinism and evolution? That's just absurd.
30 Mar 06
Originally posted by whodeyWord?
Because nothing is created. All things evolve in some way or as a result of an evolutionary process. If they do not the only other logical conclusion is that they are created.
How silly of me to think that these processes were limited to biological entities.
30 Mar 06
Originally posted by whodeyYou cannot apply the theory of evolution to anything outside of the biological advancement of species. If you want to discuss causality and predeterminism start a new thread with a better title.
Because nothing is created. All things evolve in some way or as a result of an evolutionary process. If they do not the only other logical conclusion is that they are created.
30 Mar 06
Originally posted by StarrmanI thought that all of our motivations and our very existence focus on the biological advancement of the species? This is wheather we are aware of it or not. If not, is'nt this a blow to the whole Darwinian model of evolution?
You cannot apply the theory of evolution to anything outside of the biological advancement of species. If you want to discuss causality and predeterminism start a new thread with a better title.
30 Mar 06
Originally posted by whodeyYou're just making stuff up now. The TOE deals with how life evolved biologically from one species to the next. This is not the same as considering the political, cultural and behavioural functions of the progress of society and thought. Attempting to suggest the two are synonymous is farcical.
I thought that all of our motivations and our very existence focus on the biological advancement of the species? This is wheather we are aware of it or not. If not, is'nt this a blow to the whole Darwinian model of evolution?
30 Mar 06
Originally posted by StarrmanWhere is the disconnect between our biological function and our political, cultural, and behavoiral functions? It seems to me they should all be interelated.
You're just making stuff up now. The TOE deals with how life evolved biologically from one species to the next. This is not the same as considering the political, cultural and behavioural functions of the progress of society and thought. Attempting to suggest the two are synonymous is farcical.
30 Mar 06
Originally posted by whodeyAnd they are in a complete and philosophical consideration of the world. But not in terms of the scientific pursuit of the TOE.
Where is the disconnect between our biological function and our political, cultural, and behavoiral functions? It seems to me they should all be interelated.
31 Mar 06
Originally posted by twhiteheadWell I merely recognize all avatars of god, but what I want to know is if we are gods servant or gods will....
No I think the problem is that you have a different deffinition for the word God than most people and somehow expect everyone else to understand what you are saying. However by your own new definition the origional post immediately looses all meaning. So what is going on?
If we are his servant we cannot have free will.
If we have free will we cannot be his servant, therefore we are his will, therefore our will is gods will.
does that make sense?
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01 Apr 06
Originally posted by ChessJesterThere is no free will!
Well I merely recognize all avatars of god, but what I want to know is if we are gods servant or gods will....
If we are his servant we cannot have free will.
If we have free will we cannot be his servant, therefore we are his will, therefore our will is gods will.
does that make sense?
01 Apr 06
Originally posted by Conrau KThat is an invalid statement.
There is no free will!
Is there then a freedom of choice?
I have experimented with this, and yes, yes there is free will.
Your choices (free will) can drastically effect your future... and its like a rolling ball, once you make choices in a certain direction you gain momentum in that direction and it becomes harder to make choices in different directions... this phenomena occurs as the brain matures and can give people illusions as to there being no free will, that our decisions are products of our knowledge and past experiences... yet the concept of neuroplasticity totally abolishes this theory.
Neuroplasticity is the brains ability to make new connections throughout life and it relies on its ability to recognize itself.
If this doesn't scream "free-will" then I don't know what does.
Our neruological networks actually dictate the chemicals produced in our hypothalymus and therefore the chemical in which our cells are exposed to. Our cells are covered in receptor sites and these sites actually expand or shrink depending on how often they are activated. by constantly exposing receptor cites to the same chemicals we become addicted to those chemicals (emotions, feelings, actions which produce those chemicals), and yet, if we can recognize this process and these abusive habbits as bad for us we can re-wire our brains by sheer ackgnowledgement of the problem in order to better ourselves.
Our neuro-nets were always seen as very rigid but recent studies into neuroplasticity have revealed quite the opposite and it relies heavily on experience and belief...
Ever had an "AH HA" moment when you understood something you had never understood before? this is an example of neuroplasticity... the brain not making new neurons, but rather, re-connecting old ones.