Originally posted by ivanhoeNo, I can not in good conscience belong to the Freethinker Clan. The once-proud paragon of reason and liberty has stooped to hiring mercenaries in a crazed attempt to quench Rwingett's megalomaniacal thirst for glory. I am now a proud member of the Contumelious Clan, the People's Champions (TM)!
Are you still a Freethinker ?
Originally posted by bbarrIt is the only logical choice.
No, I can not in good conscience belong to the Freethinker Clan. The once-proud paragon of reason and liberty has stooped to hiring mercenaries in a crazed attempt to quench Rwingett's megalomaniacal thirst for glory. I am now a proud member of the Contumelious Clan, the People's Champions (TM)!
Nyxie
Originally posted by bbarr
No, I can not in good conscience belong to the Freethinker Clan. The once-proud paragon of reason and liberty has stooped to hiring mercenaries in a crazed attempt to quench Rwingett's megalomaniacal thirst for glory. I am now a proud member of the Contumelious Clan, the People's Champions (TM)!
I didn't ask whether you are still a member of the Freethinker Clan.
My question is: Are you still a Freethinker ?
Originally posted by ivanhoeOh, yes, sorry. I still think freely.
I didn't ask whether you are still a member of the Freethinker Clan.
My question is: Are you still a Freethinker ?
Tonight, however, I will be drinkly freely (or, rather, liberally, given that I will be paying for it [both tonight and in the morning].
I have a date with a bottle of Lagavulin, and I'm already an hour late.
Salud!
EDIT: Sorry Nemesio, no more hijacking.
Originally posted by bbarrIf the whole world were gay, we would have gone extinct. Tell me, if Noah's sons, after coming out of the arks, had spurned their wives, where would we be?
Homosexual activity is harmful? To whom, your God and right-thinking Christians? That your God would decree that two people of the same sex who love one another and are prepared to commit to one another ought not have sex is just further evidence that your God is deeply unjust.
Should God have said "No homosexuality, except for a few, because a few are OK. Now, a few means around 2 percent of the population. After that, NO!"
I guess "No homosexuality" was just easier for us to understand.
Originally posted by DarfiusEvery time homosexuality is mentioned you talk about the death of the entire human race. As if it's some talisman of our doom. Gay people are'nt going to destroy the human race. Relax, some people will be gay, most won't. The human race will always find a way to survive.
If the whole world were gay, we would have gone extinct. Tell me, if Noah's sons, after coming out of the arks, had spurned their wives, where would we be?
Should God have said "No homosexuality, except for a few, because a few are OK. Now, a few means around 2 percent of the population. After that, NO!"
I guess "No homosexuality" was just easier for us to understand.
Nyxie
Originally posted by NemesioIf God does not want you to have more children, when you have recreational sex (in marriage), He will not give you more.
Originally posted by Darfius
[b]The Bible clearly says that sex in the marriage bed is NOT a sin, but a command from God!
You are talking about 'procreation,' that is, functional sex. Indeed, the Bible says 'Be fruitful
and multiply' and the like on several occasions.
However, the Bible also talks (negatively) about the 'pleasures ...[text shortened]... then sexual
relations would not be adultery.
Perhaps you could clarify, Darfius?
Nemesio[/b]
"Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge." (Heb 13:4)
(1Co 6:9) Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Only the marriage bed made sex holy.
Originally posted by NyxieI'm quite relaxed. It's not like I despise homosexuals. But I despise sins. I hate it when I lie. I haven't for awhile.
Every time homosexuality is mentioned you talk about the death of the entire human race. As if it's some talisman of our doom. Gay people are'nt going to destroy the human race. Relax, some people will be gay, most won't. The human race will always find a way to survive.
Nyxie
Have you seen the statistics for monogomous, healthy homosexual relationships? They're extremely minute. Most homosexuals go through depression and/or get a venereal disease. I guess God wanted to protect them from that. That's saying nothing about the damage to their anus.
Originally posted by bbarrDeeply unjust? No, the unjust are those whom perceive Him as so. His holiness and righteousness has been demonstrated from generation to generation. It is only the unrelenting free will of mankind that asks, no demands a look at the other side of grace which leads to damage of the spirit, mind and soul.
Homosexual activity is harmful? To whom, your God and right-thinking Christians? That your God would decree that two people of the same sex who love one another and are prepared to commit to one another ought not have sex is just further evidence that your God is deeply unjust.
Una
Originally posted by DarfiusFirst of all I dispute that homosexuality is a sin. Not everyone in this world holds your same religious beliefs. You have no right to expect the rest of the world to live by your code.
I'm quite relaxed. It's not like I despise homosexuals. But I despise sins. I hate it when I lie. I haven't for awhile.
Have you seen the statistics for monogomous, healthy homosexual relationships? They're extremely minute. Most homosexuals go through depression and/or get a venereal disease. I guess God wanted to protect them from that. That's saying nothing about the damage to their anus.
And second, who feeds you this crap concerning healthy homosexual relationships?
You sound like you have something against homosexuality. Everytime it is mentioned you go on this kick about it being unhealthy, causing disease, your fascination with the preservation of their anus'. And of course your belief that it will eventually wipe out the entire human race.
Darfius, it's time to come clean on this subject. What have homosexuals done to you, that you feel the need to insult their lifestyle at every given oppurtunity?
Nyxie
First of all I dispute that homosexuality is a sin. Not everyone in this world holds your same religious beliefs. You have no right to expect the rest of the world to live by your code.
Uh, no offense, but you disputing it means nothing to me. If God says it is a sin, then I will go with what He says. Am I forcing homosexuals to live as I do? Why can't I share what the Bible says with them without appearing mean? The Bible condemns murder, why aren't you speaking out for murderers?
And second, who feeds you this crap concerning healthy homosexual relationships?
It's a group of people who are never wrong. I can't recall the exact name, but their acronym is F.A.C.T.S.
You sound like you have something against homosexuality. Everytime it is mentioned you go on this kick about it being unhealthy, causing disease, your fascination with the preservation of their anus'. And of course your belief that it will eventually wipe out the entire human race.
I do have something against homosexuality. The same reason I have something against murder, and theft. Homosexuality hurts people. And because God, who is infinitely smarter, more just and more loving than us says it's wrong. Who am I to doubt Him?
Darfius, it's time to come clean on this subject. What have homosexuals done to you, that you feel the need to insult their lifestyle at every given oppurtunity?
Absolutely nothing. My best friend is homosexual and I love him as a brother. I simply share what God has to say on the subject. Take it up with Him.
Originally posted by DarfiusHow does homosexuality hurt people? Why do you insist upon this attitude that people can not live their lives as they see fit? They're not hurting anyone.
[b]First of all I dispute that homosexuality is a sin. Not everyone in this world holds your same religious beliefs. You have no right to expect the rest of the world to live by your code.
Uh, no offense, but you disputing it means nothing to me. If God says it is a sin, then I will go with what He says. Am I forcing homosexuals to live as I do? Wh ...[text shortened]... love him as a brother. I simply share what God has to say on the subject. Take it up with Him.[/b]
Nyxie
Originally posted by Darfius
If God does not want you to have more children, when you have recreational sex (in marriage), He will not give you more.
Is this to say that you oppose any form of contraception?
"Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge." (Heb 13:4)
Does this mean that all sex acts (including non-vaginal sex) are permissible because the
institution of marriage makes all acts honorable?
(1Co 6:9) Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Perhaps you could discuss the following chapter (1 Corinthians 7:1-11, particularly 5-6 and 8-9).
This passage seems to suggest that marriage is a lower state than virginity (...through lack of
self-control). As such, would you agree that the discussion above (of Christians who refuse to
touch their spouse sexually, but extract and implant sperm) is, in fact, a higher state of being, one
where a Christian fulfills his/her obligation to be fruitful and multiply, but also ones who maintain
'self-control' and do not engage in pleasures of the flesh?
Nemesio