27 Mar 05
Originally posted by DarfiusIf the whole world were celibate, we would have gone extinct. So what? This is completely irrelevant to the question of the moral status of homosexuality.
If the whole world were gay, we would have gone extinct. Tell me, if Noah's sons, after coming out of the arks, had spurned their wives, where would we be?
Should God have said "No homosexuality, except for a few, because a few are OK. Now, a few means around 2 percent of the population. After that, NO!"
I guess "No homosexuality" was just easier for us to understand.
"If Noah's sons, after coming out of the arks (sic)"
I didn't know there was more than one Ark. Wow. Anyway, if Noah's son's had spurned their wives, I'm sure any number of the millions of other humans on the Earth would have still liked to get busy with their wives, girlfriends, etc.
27 Mar 05
Originally posted by UnaYes, Darfius' God is deeply unjust. He thinks it is O.K. to kill children who insult their parents. He thinks it is O.K. to send wild animals to rip apart children who insult one of his prophets. He thinks it is O.K. to punish the decendants of a person for the crimes of that person. He thinks it is O.K. to put women and children to the sword. He thinks that genocide is O.K., as long as Joshua is doing the dirty work.
Deeply unjust? No, the unjust are those whom perceive Him as so. His holiness and righteousness has been demonstrated from generation to generation. It is only the unrelenting free will of mankind that asks, no demands a look at the other side of grace which leads to damage of the spirit, mind and soul.
Una
Darfius' God is a deranged lunatic, and I want nothing to do with Him. If Hell is just eternal seperation from this immaterial jackass, then Hell sounds like Heaven to me.
27 Mar 05
Originally posted by bbarrRom 1:26-27
If the whole world were celibate, we would have gone extinct. So what? This is completely irrelevant to the question of the moral status of homosexuality.
"If Noah's sons, after coming out of the arks (sic)"
I didn't know there was more than one Ark. Wow. Anyway, if Noah's son's had spurned their wives, I'm sure any number of the millions of o ...[text shortened]... r humans on the Earth would have still liked to get busy with their wives, girlfriends, etc.
22: Claiming to be wise, they became fools,
23: and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man or birds or animals or reptiles.
24: Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves,
25: because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever! Amen.
26: For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural,
27: and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error.
28: And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a base mind and to improper conduct.
Point blank, the "moral status of homosexuality" in contrary to what the Lord would have you do. Did the Lord send disease to punish, NO!! Does the Lord love Homosexuals, YES. Does he love them as much as Christians? YES. The Gospel is for ALL people.
What has happened is God has protected mankind from this fallen creation from the time Adam and Eve walked out of the Garden. It is only when mankind and his free will steps out of grace and demands to see what is out there is he subject to the terrors of what sin actually is.
Remember, God loves the Sinner, hates the Sin. The Cross was about God justifing mankind to Himself. Sin came into the world by one man and so the entire world is justified through one man. If you don't believe homosexuality is immoral, then you don't believe what God says. If you don't believe what God says, then of course the discussion is mute. If you don't believe the bible, then anything I have stated here will be of no value to you, it will seem like foolishness.
1st Corinthians 1:18 for the word of the cross to those indeed perishing is foolishness, and to us -- those being saved -- it is the power of God
27 Mar 05
Originally posted by UnaIndeed. Your God just declared that homosexuality was prohibited, just as he declared it permissible to kill children that insult their parents, just as he declared it impermissible to eat various foods, and work on various days.
Rom 1:26-27
22: Claiming to be wise, they became fools,
23: and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man or birds or animals or reptiles.
24: Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves,
25: because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and ...[text shortened]... deed perishing is foolishness, and to us -- those being saved -- it is the power of God
If 'sin' is just whatever your God commands us not to do, then I see no reason to accord any particular weight to something's being sinful. In other words, what you mean by 'sin' is radically different than what I mean by 'morally wrong'. I take moral wrongness very seriously, but why should I take sinfulness seriously, when sin is such a radically different notion than moral wrongness?
Henceforth, I declare that praying to your God is 'binful', as is preaching about your God in the forums. Also, devotional music is an abomination unto me, and listening to it constitutes a 'bin'.
Lo, let it be the case that an act is 'binful' if and only if I (bbarr) command you not to do it. If you violate my commands, you will be guilty of living in 'bin'. There will be consequences for living in 'bin'. For instance, I will have nothing to do with you.
Now, do you care at all about living in 'bin'? Of course not, why should you? The 'binfulness' of an act has nothing to do with what you take to be important. Similarly, the sinfulness of an act has nothing to do with what I take to be important. I take moral rightness and wrongness to be important, and sinfulness is not coextensive with moral rightness and wrongness.
Oh yes, when you quote scripture, I don't read it. Seriously, I never read scripture in the forums. If I want to read scripture, I'll pick up my own bible.
27 Mar 05
Originally posted by DarfiusMay God bless you with triplets one day.
Because God commanded us to 'be fruitful and multiply' and if we block the sperm from reaching the ovary, then there is no possiblity of fulfilling this command. However, if we leave it in the hands of God, He will never give us more than HE can handle through us.
27 Mar 05
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesThus flinning is boly,
Pirping is boly, the bacred decree
From the boral center, where binking is bree
But shall I pirp, is it a bin?
I don't think it is, but I know it's a flin!
Lo, let it be.
So let us pirp breely,
I say unto thee.
The flos in my flable,
are lookin' so bine,
though buckin' be sinful,
it's no bin of mine.
27 Mar 05
Originally posted by DarfiusNineteen little Darfius'. God help us! (Figuratively Dar. Don't get excited.)
Because God commanded us to 'be fruitful and multiply' and if we block the sperm from reaching the ovary, then there is no possiblity of fulfilling this command. However, if we leave it in the hands of God, He will never give us more than HE can handle through us.
27 Mar 05
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Originally posted by bbarr1. "he declared it permissible to kill children that insult their parents"
Indeed. Your God just declared that homosexuality was prohibited, just as he declared it permissible to kill children that insult their parents, just as he declared it impermissible to eat various foods, and work on various days.
If 's ...[text shortened]... it.
If I want to read scripture, I'll pick up my own bible.
Where did Jesus say that?
2. what you mean by 'sin' is radically different than what I mean by 'morally wrong'
What mere mortal man says matters not, what does God say?
3. "I take moral wrongness very seriously, but why should I take sinfulness seriously, when sin is such a radically different notion than moral wrongness"
Just because you do not take sinfulness seriously does not mean God doesn't. The fact is He sent His Son because He was serious about sin. What have you done in regard to "moral wrongness"?
4. "Henceforth, I declare that praying to your God is 'binful'
You may declare what ever you wish but I ask, what authority do you do so? Jesus came and was proven by the signs and wonders by His Father.
5. "I take moral rightness and wrongness to be important,"
Since you take no account of God and His authority, then why would "moral rightness" be a concern. After all, violations of moral code of mankind you only suffer the retribution of men. Any good lawyer can invalidate a wrong to society.
6. "Seriously, I never read scripture in the forums."
Perhaps if you would read scripture, then you would be able to present your view points about them in a more intelligent manner. I would never offer view points about something I had not read.
27 Mar 05
Originally posted by bbarrFlod and Bod, in a battle for souls.
Thus flinning is boly,
Lo, let it be.
So let us pirp breely,
I say unto thee.
The flos in my flable,
are lookin' so bine,
though buckin' be sinful,
it's no bin of mine.
Bod said to Flod, "I shall pirp these flo's."
Flod said in reply, "You'll get floderated,"
"Oh, and by the way, I've never basterflated."
Bod was a fliinner, through and through.
Flod was a binner, by decree made true.
What's boly's not floly, (nor holy,) alas.
Flod never bucked his wife in the bass
But she gives a good flow bob, and I've heard said
She once gave Bod some boly good bead.