Sexuality

Originally posted by SwissGambit
And not rape?

Clearly I disagree with those who think that homosexuality is a sin and I always will. They have their opinion, I have mine.

The bottom line for me is that if two homosexuals love each other then they are free to express that love. God has no problem with loving acts, period.

That is the way I view the love of God as practiced in everyday life. That's the way that radical dude Jesus would have seen it, too.

Originally posted by SwissGambit
And not rape?

Originally posted by Badwater
Clearly I disagree with those who think that homosexuality is a sin and I always will. They have their opinion, I have mine.

The bottom line for me is that if two homosexuals love each other then they are free to express that love. God has no problem with loving acts, period.

That is the way I view the love of God as practiced in everyday life. That's the way that radical dude Jesus would have seen it, too.

Originally posted by Conrau K
[b]I repeat that I accept that the fact it may be a biological urge does not justify it per se. What it does do is legitimise it as one of many urges that some human beings are subject to (like the urge to protect children or eat food).

It really does not. Many biological urges, if not most, are not socially acceptable.

With regards to our u ...[text shortened]... made the point that whether a behaviour has a genetic explanation is not a moral justification.

Originally posted by knightmeister
According to the Bible homosexuality is a sin just as is adultery, fornication, stealing, coveting your neighbour's house, overeating, drunkenness etc. ====RAJK--------

And all but one of these can be clearly understood as sin for very good reasons. For all but one of these it could be said that they are harmful to others or self and the fabric of society.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Whether or not something is a sin is not a matter of your opinion or mine.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Are you an expert on what is "...harmful to others or self and the fabric of society"?

Do you think its conceivable that God may know more in this regard than you do? Or are you the expert and God is wrong ?

Originally posted by Rajk999
Whether or not something is a sin is not a matter of your opinion or mine.

Originally posted by knightmeister
Do you not think it is at least slightly relevant that we have an inkling as to why something is sinful?

If God declared that being born with a deformed arm was sinful would not be curious as to what his thinking was on this - or would you find it a bit bizarre?

Originally posted by knightmeister
I'm not an expert , but I do think as a whole in society we have a lot of knowledge on this. I would suggest that those who come out and practice their homosexuality in a meaningful lovng way are happier as a result. Society becomes happier as a result. No-one is hurt and no-one is forced to watch. It's a no brainer.

I don't think God is "wrong" ...[text shortened]... ages were God inspired.

Do you have any idea how homosexuality actually hurts anyone?

Originally posted by Badwater
But it is. What constitutes a sin has changed over time. The Pharisees would have viewed a good number of the things that Jesus did as being sinful; however, the target is dynamic and changes as humans change. What is sinful is a matter of opinion, it is of the perspective of the person purporting to define it.

Originally posted by Rajk999
No .. the Pharisees applied the letter of the Law of Moses and NOT the spirit of the law. Christ came and taught them how to apply the law with both compassion and love.

Using the spirit of what CHrist taught we now have to accept all people regardless of their sins and NOT JUDGE them. Christ is the judge and people who say they dont like homos are wrong ...[text shortened]... at homosexuality is ok is incorrect. It s not a matter for you to decide that ... unfortunately.

Originally posted by Badwater
Then we agree to disagree, both comforted by our own opinions.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I would only point out, before I move on, that mine does not attempt to diminish the way others have been created, in the eyes of God. It does not classify someone who is not created as I have been as being inferior, 'sinful', and opening that perso ...[text shortened]... God. It is of humans (who, as I have said, are very good at being exclusionary and violent).

Originally posted by knightmeister
Many biological urges, if not most, are not socially acceptable.
------conrau---------------


The urge to protect ones family?
The urge to next build prior to childbirth?
The urge to seek out a mate?
The fact that we are soaked in adrenaline / dopamine at times of trauma?
The drive that causes us to build communities and seek out socia culture. Take masterbation as an example. Socially acceptable now...at least in some cultures.