Sharia law in Britain

Originally posted by serigado
For me it goes like this:

A country has a constitution. The laws made in the country are made according to that constitution. People must follow it always. If they're not happy, they free to protest and form a movement to try to change it... If they can't, they can always leave the country if they're not willing to accept the majorities decision.
If som ...[text shortened]... ollow their law respectfully. I hope everyone does the same when coming to my country.

What struck me was that part of the response sounded almost xenophobic in nature, which did concern me somewhat.

However, the thought is with those UK citizens who feel that what they believe comes into conflict with the existing UK law. What is so different today than (say) twenty years ago, that is so appalling to them that there is now a perception that the law needs to be changed to accomodate them? We have to acknowledge that the law does need to reflect the society.

Originally posted by serigado
If they want to follow the Sharia, that's up to them. They have their system and are happy with it. We have no right to criticize it. It's their country, their culture.

You don't think this merits criticism:
http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/1198896713/Old_Footage_of_a_Man_Getting_his_Arm_Ripped_Off

Or this:
http://www.flurl.com/entry/view/3403259/Iraqi_Ministry_Personnel_Executed_In_Iraq/execution

Or this:
http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/1188177579/Entire_Line_of_People_Get_Executed_in_Iraq

Is this just a cultural choice:
http://theync.com/media.php?name=430-rapist-whipped-hard

Is this "just how they do things there":
http://www.flurl.com/entry/view/3442378/Army_Of_Ansar_Alsunna_Beheads_A_Senior_Iraqi_Army_Officer

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
You don't think this merits criticism:
http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/1198896713/Old_Footage_of_a_Man_Getting_his_Arm_Ripped_Off

Or this:
http://www.flurl.com/entry/view/3403259/Iraqi_Ministry_Personnel_Executed_In_Iraq/execution

Or this:
http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/1188177579/Entire_Line_of_People_Get_Executed_in_Iraq

Is this ://www.flurl.com/entry/view/3442378/Army_Of_Ansar_Alsunna_Beheads_A_Senior_Iraqi_Army_Officer

Are any of those examples of Sharia Law? So far as I know, only Saudi Arabia and Iran use Sharia Law in criminal matters.

Originally posted by snowinscotland
What struck me was that part of the response sounded almost xenophobic in nature, which did concern me somewhat.

However, the thought is with those UK citizens who feel that what they believe comes into conflict with the existing UK law. What is so different today than (say) twenty years ago, that is so appalling to them that there is now a percept ...[text shortened]... hanged to accomodate them? We have to acknowledge that the law does need to reflect the society.

What struck me was that part of the response sounded almost xenophobic in nature, which did concern me somewhat.
What part? I'm not xenophobic, by the contrary I believe in cultural interchange. But it can't be done at the expense of the freedom of choice. I respect everyone by default, I demand the same respect especially if I'm in my own country. If someone comes to live in my country by free will, they must know and accept its laws. That's clear to me.

This reminds a story of a portuguese movie director that was arrested in some muslim country because he smoked a joint. He did it in the hotel, and no one saw him doing it. But some staff in the hotel saw the remains of the joint in the ashtray the following morning and called the police, and he was arrested indefinitely. He stayed inprisioned for months, and only because he was famous and through diplomatic channels he was released.
In my opinion the their law is unfair. But it's THEIR law, so they did well to get him arrested. If you don't like it, don't go there. If you go, follow their rules, it's their country and their law.

Originally posted by no1marauder
Are any of those examples of Sharia Law?

Yes. They all are.

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
Yes. They all are.

When did Iraq use Sharia Law?

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
You don't think this merits criticism:
http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/1198896713/Old_Footage_of_a_Man_Getting_his_Arm_Ripped_Off

Or this:
http://www.flurl.com/entry/view/3403259/Iraqi_Ministry_Personnel_Executed_In_Iraq/execution

Or this:
http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/1188177579/Entire_Line_of_People_Get_Executed_in_Iraq

Is this ...[text shortened]... ://www.flurl.com/entry/view/3442378/Army_Of_Ansar_Alsunna_Beheads_A_Senior_Iraqi_Army_Officer

Do you get satisfaction watching these? It makes me sick, and I think it's sick someone publish this or gives links to these.

Originally posted by serigado
Do you get satisfaction watching these? It makes me sick, and I think it's sick someone publish this or gives links to these.

But it doesn't make you sick when someone suggests that the systems of criminal punishment that provide for such things don't deserve criticism?

Originally posted by no1marauder
So far as I know, only Saudi Arabia and Iran use Sharia Law in criminal matters.

Well, what's your point? That my examples only count if they were taped in Saudi Arabia or Iran? I have no doubt I could easily find five of each.

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
But it doesn't make you sick when someone suggests that the systems of criminal punishment that provide for such things don't deserve criticism?

I don't criticize my neighbors choices, that's up to them. I don't agree with them, but I have no right to interfere. It's their house.
Now we have the right as a country not have nothing to do with them because we don't agree with their actions. That's in our right. But that's not exactly what's happening... The truth is no one cares, because these guys have resources to explore that interest us. So, some play the hypocrite game. That makes me sick.
Specially when some hypocrites do even worse, not for the sake of their beliefs, but for the sake of their wallets.

Originally posted by serigado
[b]What struck me was that part of the response sounded almost xenophobic in nature, which did concern me somewhat.
What part? I'm not xenophobic, by the contrary I believe in cultural interchange. But it can't be done at the expense of the freedom of choice. I respect everyone by default, I demand the same respect especially if I'm in my own country. ike it, don't go there. If you go, follow their rules, it's their country and their law.[/b]

A lot of the response on the BBC website included comments such as 'if people don't like it they should go home'. Clearly the vast majority of UK muslims are UK citizens born and bred.

oh and just caught this there as well :- 'Religious police in Saudi Arabia are banning the sale of Valentine's Day gifts including red roses' (un-islamic)

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
Well, what's your point? That my examples only count if they were taped in Saudi Arabia or Iran? I have no doubt I could easily find five of each.

You might as well post pictures of Auschwitz and say that's an example of Sharia Law as post vids of what people did in Iraq and claim it has anything to do with Sharia Law.

Originally posted by serigado
I don't criticize my neighbors choices, that's up to them. I don't agree with them, but I have no right to interfere.

Well, you do if they decide to adopt a "family rule" that you shall be stoned to death out back if you don't do the dishes.

Originally posted by no1marauder
You might as well post pictures of Auschwitz and say that's an example of Sharia Law as post vids of what people did in Iraq and claim it has anything to do with Sharia Law.

So what happens when I post my examples of Saudi Arabian and Iranian officials carrying out similar punishments? Will you concede my point that such criminal systems deserve criticism?

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
Well, you do if they decide to adopt a "family rule" that you shall be stoned to death out back if you don't do the dishes.

With neighbors, I meant other countries. If another country wants something that goes against my will, there's a conflict. Either we solve our conflict or we go to war.
Else, there free to live as they want, as long as it doesn't concern me. If I don't like what they do, I'll have no business with them (embargo).