24 Oct 12
Originally posted by RJHindsit has been shown to you in the prior threads that the bible states that jesus was wrapped in bandages and had a face cloth. no shroud.
I have no information on the Holy Bible saying there were several layers of cloth, but if so, they could have meant the layer of the cloth that was underneath the back of the body and the layer of the cloth that covered the front of the body as the Shroud of Turin shows. If it means more than one cloth then the Shroud of Turin could be just one of them or t ...[text shortened]... are the burial cloths of Jesus the Christ.
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25 Oct 12
Originally posted by VoidSpiritIt is known that the Jewish custom of burial back then was to wrap the body in a simple cloth known as a shroud, not bandages.
it has been shown to you in the prior threads that the bible states that jesus was wrapped in bandages and had a face cloth. no shroud.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shroud
Originally posted by twhiteheadI believe both.
So do you believe the Bible or the historical reports of Jewish customs?
Joseph bought a linen cloth, took Him down, wrapped Him in the linen cloth and laid Him in a tomb which had been hewn out in the rock; and he rolled a stone against the entrance of the tomb. Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses were looking on to see where He was laid.
(Mark 15:46-47 NASB)
When Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, and laid it in his new tomb which he had hewn out of the rock; and he rolled a large stone against the door of the tomb, and departed. And Mary Magdalene was there, and the other Mary, sitting opposite the tomb.
(Matthew 27:59-61 NKJV)
And he took it down, and wrapped it in a linen cloth, and laid him in a tomb that was hewn in stone, where never man had yet lain.
(Luke 23:53 ASV)
And they took away the body of Yeshua and wrapped it in linen and in sweet spices, just as the custom of the Judeans is for burying.
(John 19:40 Aramaic Bible in Plain English)
So Peter and the other disciple went forth, and they were going to the tomb. The two were running together; and the other disciple ran ahead faster than Peter and came to the tomb first; and stooping and looking in, he saw the linen wrappings lying there; but he did not go in. And so Simon Peter also came, following him, and entered the tomb; and he saw the linen wrappings lying there, and the face-cloth which had been on His head, not lying with the linen wrappings, but rolled up in a place by itself. So the other disciple who had first come to the tomb then also entered, and he saw and believed.
(John 20:3-8 NASB)
Mentioned here is also "the face-cloth which had been on His head."
This is the Sudarium of Oviedo
http://www.wnd.com/2000/10/4279/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudarium_of_Oviedo
25 Oct 12
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Originally posted by RJHindsincorrect. it wasn't the only burial custom. obviously, the bible describes the custom of wrapping the body in strips of linen as in the case of jesus.
It is known that the Jewish custom of burial back then was to wrap the body in a simple cloth known as a shroud, not bandages.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shroud
25 Oct 12
Originally posted by VoidSpiritIf this is translated correctly then what did Joseph do with the Shroud (linen cloth) he bought? Did he have time to tear it into strips before the sun went down? An interesting theory. However, we have the physical linen cloth in Turin, Italy and the face-cloth in Oviedo, Spain that proves that theory wrong. 😏
incorrect. it wasn't the only burial custom. obviously, the bible describes the custom of wrapping the body in strips of linen as in the case of jesus.
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25 Oct 12
Originally posted by RJHindsRead this, esp. point #8.
If this is translated correctly then what did Joseph do with the Shroud (linen cloth) he bought? Did he have time to tear it into strips before the sun went down? An interesting theory. However, we have the physical linen cloth in Turin, Italy and the face-cloth in Oviedo, Spain that proves that theory wrong. 😏
HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord! Holy! Holy! Holy!
http://www.creationtips.com/shroud.html
This is from a creationist website so it is not bias by those filthy atheists.
25 Oct 12
Originally posted by sonhouseYou are referring to this point #8
Read this, esp. point #8.
http://www.creationtips.com/shroud.html
This is from a creationist website so it is not bias by those filthy atheists.
8. The first record of the shroud's appearance was in 1353, when Geoffrey de Charny presented it to the small local church in the French town of Lirey. Three years later, in 1356, the bishop of the region wrote to the pope, in Latin, telling of his annoyance that certain people wanted this “painted” cloth displayed as the burial cloth of Christ. The bishop added that his predecessor, Henry of Poitiers, “after diligent inquiry and examination,” had found the artist who painted it. The artist testified that “it was the work of human skill and not miraculously wrought.”
There is no evidence this is a creationists website and even if it is, the bias against the Shroud of Turin being authentic is apparent throughout. It seems someone like you would be more interested in what the scientists discovered in their investigation than in rumors from God knows when.
25 Oct 12
Originally posted by RJHindsand keep reading with point #10
You are referring to this point #8
8. The first record of the shroud's appearance was in 1353, when Geoffrey de Charny presented it to the small local church in the French town of Lirey. Three years later, in 1356, the bishop of the region wrote to the pope, in Latin, telling of his annoyance that certain people wanted this “painted” cloth displayed as t ...[text shortened]... ed in what the scientists discovered in their investigation than in rumors from God knows when.
of course, all of this was explained to you before. you're fake christian archetype character is just too dull to understand. but you know.
26 Oct 12
Originally posted by RJHindsAll you had to do was go to the home page and read the front headline:
You are referring to this point #8
8. The first record of the shroud's appearance was in 1353, when Geoffrey de Charny presented it to the small local church in the French town of Lirey. Three years later, in 1356, the bishop of the region wrote to the pope, in Latin, telling of his annoyance that certain people wanted this “painted” cloth displayed as t ...[text shortened]... ed in what the scientists discovered in their investigation than in rumors from God knows when.
http://www.creationtips.com/index.html
Originally posted by sonhouseAs I said before, Christian website or not, they ar not well-informed on the Shroud of Turin. The claim that it is a painting has already been proven false by the scientific investigating team. So if this un-named man claims he painted it, he is lying.
All you had to do was go to the home page and read the front headline:
http://www.creationtips.com/index.html
26 Oct 12
Originally posted by RJHindsSo basically it boils down to your word or his. I'll take his. He at least did original research, you just copy and paste.
As I said before, Christian website or not, they ar not well-informed on the Shroud of Turin. The claim that it is a painting has already been proven false by the scientific investigating team. So if this un-named man claims he painted it, he is lying.
26 Oct 12
I thought things like the shroud of turin were supposed to transfer the original image onto anything the image was touched to... so we can have evidence either way. If it does do this then that is pretty convinincing. However, it probably doesn't or else it would be the biggest story in the world.
26 Oct 12
Originally posted by sonhouseNo it is not my word against his. It is the facts of the scientific findings that I have linked to against the rumors that he has referred to. In other word, my facts over his fiction. 😏
So basically it boils down to your word or his. I'll take his. He at least did original research, you just copy and paste.