Originally posted by @eladarsonship does not believe Children of God are bound to hell. You are the poster who takes delight in referring to your fellow Christians - pretty much every single one of them here, I think - "children of Sayan", not sonship.
Of course he does, but he believes them to be children of Satan. He calls good evil and evil good.
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Elader is not needed to make this an interesting thread.
God loves man but will let the unrepentant rebel have his own way.
If not "Thy will be done" from man to God, God will one day say "Your will then be done."
And under God's infallible judgment the loved sinner must come.
Now in the story of Genesis 18,19 you have to see that it is God who came to Abraham FOR THE EXPRESS PURPOSE to have Abraham pray for those worthy to escape judgment in Sodom to escape.
The story is in a key place - early in the Bible.
The back and forth between Abraham and God is about Abraham assuring himself that God cannot be unrighteous in His judgment.
Whether a reader is convinced in the unfailing righteous judgment of God is pending.
Some will believe.
Some will not believe.
Abraham, called the father of faith, believed that God would not be unrighteous as the Judge of all the earth.
The question of God's love is rather secondary to the story.
The question of God's righteousness in judgment is more front and center.
In Abraham's stepping out on a limb to challenge God repeatedly to make sure those worthy of saving would be saved, Abraham utters this -
" Far be it from You to do such a thing, to put to death the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous should be as the wicked. Far be it from You!
Shall the Judge of all the earth not do justly ? " {Genesis 18:25)
The father of faith Abraham, was convinced that God was infallible in judgment.
Each man or woman has to make up his or her mind.
A poster sticks to the matter of God's love for the judged in Sodom.
I think of course God loved them, though He hated their rebellion.
God had rescued the society from capture and captivity in a previous chapter through Abraham's fighting for them. Maybe the mayhem and revolt in Sodom was their way of saying "Thanks" to God for His mercy on them then.
At any rate, Lot was saved - just barely.
Lot's wife and two daughters were saved - just barely.
I take the warning of the story of Sodom as an answer to a question -
Can a society actually become that wicked on a mass and total basis ?
Apparently God is warning us that it CAN happen.
Originally posted by @sonshipI'll put it to you again, just in case you accidentally missed it. Your reaction to Eladar is interesting in light of the fact that, according to the ideology you have been propagating here for years, because of his belief in Jesus, he is already "forgiven", he is already "saved", and this "salvation" cannot be undone.
Elader is not needed to make this an interesting thread.
Originally posted by @sonshipIs it loving to knowingly slaughter innocent babies?
Elader is not needed to make this an interesting thread.
God loves man but will let the unrepentant rebel have his own way.
If not "Thy will be done" from man to God, God will one day say "Your will then be done."
And under God's infallible judgment the loved sinner must come.
Now in the story of [b]Genesis 18,19 you have to see that it is G ...[text shortened]... become that wicked on a mass and total basis ?
Apparently God is warning us that it CAN happen.[/b]
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Originally posted by @eladar
Of course he does, but he believes them to be children of Satan. He calls good evil and evil good.
He calls good evil and evil good.
Give me two of your strongest and most striking cases of me calling good evil and evil good.
Take what time you need to research it.
But I expect you to back up your accusation.
Originally posted by @sonshipYou still haven't answered my question. Was Jesus loving when he slaughtered babies?He calls good evil and evil good.
Give me two of your strongest and most striking cases of me calling good evil and evil good.
Take your time.
But I expect you to back up your accusation.
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Originally posted by @eladar
Is it loving to knowingly slaughter innocent babies?
Is it loving to knowingly slaughter innocent babies?
It might be for God to do so.
His knowledge of the facts in complete and infallible.
Yours and mine are partial, incomplete.
I expect that at some future time God may say to some of us
" I was right but you were wrong. "
But to others He may say -
" I was right. But you were right also."
You can't say that i have evaded your tough question.
If you want to PROVE to everyone that every baby whose life God ends directly or indirectly is obviously NOT loved by God, your proof can appear in the next few posts.
Prove that the babies who died in Sodom God did not love.
Originally posted by @sonshipYou have as of yet not answered mine. Typical libtard, unwilling to answer questions put to them but demands to have their questions answered.Give me two of your strongest and most striking cases of me calling good evil and evil good.
Take what time you need to research it.
But I expect you to back up your accusation.
Your turn to answer.
Originally posted by @divegeesterBump for sonship.
Are you suggesting that the citizens of Sodom and Gomorrah were Republicans (in terms of their political mindset) and that is why god judged and destroyed them?
Originally posted by @eladarTypical conservatard, ignoring questions which do not fit your agenda.
You have as of yet not answered mine. Typical libtard, unwilling to answer questions put to them but demands to have their questions answered.