Somebody help me...

Originally posted by KellyJay
I'm asked a question, a growing ever changing faith, someone has Christ
so they say, and now they have matured to no longer need Him. Between
their ears is this good, no one is beyond Christ!
Kelly

You are either putting words in my mouth or twisting them.

I have never said: "...matured to no longer need him."

What I said was that our faith is (or should be) a dynamic, living thing. We grow, we change. Paul talks about milk and solid food. We grow from being babies in arms, little sheep to be carried, to grown up sons and heirs. Primary school, high school, college - you learn and know (and believe) different things. Your world view changes.

This is vastly different from "growing beyond Christ, or not needing him". When we grow and mature, we actually become increasingly MORE dependent on him. We move into a more solid understanding of what it means to be "in Christ", and he in us, a deeper, more mystical relationship than just "being saved."

And then we begin to accept those whom he also accepts, which is EVERYBODY, although they are not in "our group" (like FMF).

Here is a thought for you to ponder: Christ is bigger than Christianity!

Just think of all the verses where he talks about "the whole world", "all creation" etc. We have put him in a small box and told him to stay there, and he refuses point blank to do so!

But that is a different subject, and would hijack this thread.

In peace

CJ

Originally posted by KellyJay
Pull my post up and tell me where it falls short.
Kelly

Why waste energy deflecting if you have already answered, just copy/paste. I've read all of your posts and you do not explicitly answer this question:

As you believe in the doctrine that a Christian can lose their salvation, why are you so adamant that this could not be the case with FMF?

Originally posted by CalJust
You are either putting words in my mouth or twisting them.

I have never said: "...matured to [b]no longer need him."

What I said was that our faith is (or should be) a dynamic, living thing. We grow, we change. Paul talks about milk and solid food. We grow from being babies in arms, little sheep to be carried, to grown up sons and heirs. Primary sc ...[text shortened]... k to do so!

But that is a different subject, and would hijack this thread.

In peace

CJ[/b]

I say hijack the thread and tell them more of the good stuff about Christ being greater than Christianity. They need their eyes opened.

Originally posted by divegeester
Why waste energy deflecting if you have already answered, just copy/paste. I've read all of your posts and you do not explicitly answer this question:

As you believe in the doctrine that a Christian can lose their salvation, why are you so adamant that this could not be the case with FMF?

Thought so.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Thought so.
Kelly

Thought what? More deflection? Why not just answer the question Kelly, it's not going to go away.

Originally posted by divegeester
Thought what? More deflection? Why not just answer the question Kelly, it's not going to go away.

More deflection? I've answered you, do you address the answer, no you just
act like none was given. So it is difficult to take you seriously.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
More deflection? I've answered you, do you address the answer, no you just
act like none was given. So it is difficult to take you seriously.
Kelly

Ok look I'm sorry, let's start again.

As you believe in the doctrine that a Christian can lose their salvation, why are you so adamant that this could not be the case with FMF?

Originally posted by Suzianne
channel 3 is independent now, their on-air people are cooler now than when they were ABC.
Nah, I like seeing people out in the parks, I've been invited to a few volleyball games that way. 🙂

Wow, 100 miles a day, maybe in the wintertime, not the summer, I find it tough sometimes just getting 50 done in the summer. And now with monsoon season, forget it, ...[text shortened]... don't want to go so far one day that I don't want to see the bike for the rest of the week. 🙂

Yeah I knew that ABC was no longer with them but I liked a few of the old timers then. John Bruno was their go to guy for all the major sports filming and the one I rode with most with all our training. The team should have been called Team Bruno/Steve as Gil only rode with us a couple times. Lol.
Also Domenic of ( http://domenicscycling.com/ ) shop rode with us from time to time to help out some of the beginners and fine tune the rest of us and it was a great experiance to have him there. He was a bout 45 or so then and was the top rider in the nation for his age.

Originally posted by divegeester
Why waste energy deflecting if you have already answered, just copy/paste. I've read all of your posts and you do not explicitly answer this question:

As you believe in the doctrine that a Christian can lose their salvation, why are you so adamant that this could not be the case with FMF?

If you read all my posts you'd seen the answer.
Kelly

Originally posted by divegeester
Ok look I'm sorry, let's start again.

As you believe in the doctrine that a Christian can lose their salvation, why are you so adamant that this could not be the case with FMF?

You have to have a relationship with Christ to lose it.
He is all about having lost faith, that is not Christ!
He wants to be called an Ex-Christian, Jesus Christ was required, not just
a belief in God that makes you one. Satan believes in Jesus Christ, he is
not a Christian.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
You have to have a relationship with Christ to lose it.
He is all about having lost faith, that is not Christ!
He wants to be called an Ex-Christian, Jesus Christ was required, not just
a belief in God that makes you one. Satan believes in Jesus Christ, he is
not a Christian.
Kelly

Tell me about your relationship with Christ, what makes it real? Please.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Tell me about your relationship with Christ, what makes it real? Please.

Jesus Christ, He isn't just a made up name to keep people in line.
He really is the Son of God sent here to save us from our sins.
He is for us not against us, but not for our sins or the excuses we make
for them.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Jesus Christ, He isn't just a made up name to keep people in line.
He really is the Son of God sent here to save us from our sins.
He is for us not against us, but not for our sins or the excuses we make
for them.
Kelly

Tell us about your relationship with Christ, what makes it real? Please.

Originally posted by wolfgang59
Tell us about your relationship with Christ, what makes it real? Please.

PK baits, Wolf ignores.

Typical.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Jesus Christ [...] really is the Son of God sent here to save us from our sins.

I used to believe this too when I was a Christian.